tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post1208987509201183194..comments2024-02-28T22:03:57.237-05:00Comments on The Automatic Earth: August 19 2009: A credit crunch on crackIlargihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09698428009501267664noreply@blogger.comBlogger96125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-14925934153970251232009-08-20T21:50:26.426-04:002009-08-20T21:50:26.426-04:00New. Post. Up.New. Post. Up.Ilargihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09698428009501267664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-36238723942250637462009-08-20T18:33:28.554-04:002009-08-20T18:33:28.554-04:00Every time that I buy a product made in Asia, I sh...Every time that I buy a product made in Asia, I shake my head in disbelief. Such low prices.<br /><br />I appreciate, in the same thought, the luck of my birth place and the fact that I'm not lower in the pecking order. <br /><br />I also, realize that I cannot do anything to change the situation "out of sight slavery".<br /><br />If I was higher in the pecking order, I would be injalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16969819389823705458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-75003597991770797852009-08-20T18:15:30.664-04:002009-08-20T18:15:30.664-04:00Blogger thethirdcoast said...
August 20, 2009 9:4...Blogger thethirdcoast said...<br />August 20, 2009 9:44 AM<br /><br /><i>I would argue that Anon's description is pretty apt in current Western culture.</i><br /><br />I chose to no longer participate in Western cultural philosophy during the early nineteen seventies.ogardenerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16062788838505530416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-18363998663959702222009-08-20T18:08:00.883-04:002009-08-20T18:08:00.883-04:00A body of law is naturally bent and curved by capi...A body of law is naturally bent and curved by capital because the substance of law and capital are similar in composition, being reactive to similar forces.<br /><br />Arbitrary jugdment concerning moral value is then not dissimilar from one concerning monetary value.<br /><br />Conversely, capital can find no boundary in law, since justice is a monetized commodity, exessive demand should Gravityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09126443076478406015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-83196825454872311022009-08-20T17:49:38.418-04:002009-08-20T17:49:38.418-04:00@VK, Taizui et al
Thank you for yoyur strong wor...@VK, Taizui et al <br /><br />Thank you for yoyur strong words and clarity. I sometimes feel insane at my thoughts and I find it helpful to know that I am not alone.<br /><br />re: exploitation and suffering--while I agree concerns of connecting to the earth and living in the now are the province of the privileged, ie: exploiters, I still think being an exploiter is only possible in a state of Rubennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-27444070543453711472009-08-20T17:34:10.854-04:002009-08-20T17:34:10.854-04:00Sometimes I feel that suffering is the only real t...<i>Sometimes I feel that suffering is the only real thing that exists. </i><br /><br />I believe what you're talking about, VK, is what I've heard described as "right suffering." Can suffering be transformative? What is the nature of the transformation? Is truth found in suffering? Such questions lead to further questions that are not appropriate here, such as questions ricnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-88831555130811164012009-08-20T17:30:29.199-04:002009-08-20T17:30:29.199-04:00“Political control of the US Fed and therefore of ...“Political control of the US Fed and therefore of monetary policy is in the cards.<br /><br />China as spokesman for the BRICs has publicly stated their desire for the institutions of a Super Sovereign Currency. This is not an intended as an immediate substitute for the dollar as a reserve currency but rather an alternative in new commitments.<br /><br />Only the misinformed assume the desire forAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-15075783607680885132009-08-20T17:15:45.717-04:002009-08-20T17:15:45.717-04:00No more easy participation for the lesser classes?...No more easy participation for the lesser classes?<br /><br /><a href="http://biz.yahoo.com/e/090818/13282398-k.html" rel="nofollow">Form 8-K for DB COMMODITY INDEX TRACKING MASTER FUND</a> <br />Other Events<br />Item 8.01. Other Events. <br />On August 14, 2009, DB Commodity Services LLC ("DBCS"), the managing owner of PowerShares DB Commodity Index Tracking Fund and DB Commodity Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-77742312482256263122009-08-20T17:07:59.777-04:002009-08-20T17:07:59.777-04:00@ Brian M
"From a certain perspective, it lo...@ Brian M<br /><br />"From a certain perspective, it looks like a DUTY for the exploiters to enjoy the spoils as much as they can given the price paid by others for the spoils! Now the organ donor case, is a little different from the exploiter case because it wasn't really the organ recipient's FAULT that the donor died, whereas there is usually a lot more fault involved in the el gallinazohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00642036843036726232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-71845919091408743462009-08-20T17:05:41.393-04:002009-08-20T17:05:41.393-04:00Re: Bond Market Analysis:
Here is a great site f...Re: Bond Market Analysis:<br /><br />Here is a great site for analyzing movements in the bond market:<br /><a href="http://acrossthecurve.com/?p=8016" rel="nofollow"><br />Across the curve</a> <br /><br />The author is a well versed in the bond market. He began his career at the Open Market Desk for the Federal Reserve and spent later years trading Treasuries for several primary dealers.<br /><Erin Winthropehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17535747338165517395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-756395283748707892009-08-20T16:48:34.991-04:002009-08-20T16:48:34.991-04:00Longtime lurker, rare poster here:
I've spent...Longtime lurker, rare poster here:<br /><br />I've spent only a few months in Asia over the past three years, but in that time I've traveled in Guandong, Sichuan and Yunnan provinces in China, as well as the major cities Beijing, Shanghai, and Guangzhou. I've also been to Tokyo and Seoul several times recently.<br /><br />Until you've witnessed South Asia firsthand, there is Nelsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07827295021201195746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-28672443670493317222009-08-20T16:41:12.553-04:002009-08-20T16:41:12.553-04:00@Dr J:
"if reform would let the government a...@Dr J:<br /><br />"if reform would let the government access bank accounts."<br /><br />That's not stupidity at all. It's called experience.<br /><br />Some wag might suggest it would be an extension of the current system, where they check your wallet before they check your health.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-31342740864392117382009-08-20T16:29:17.346-04:002009-08-20T16:29:17.346-04:00Shakespeare says it in the speech by Prospero:
...Shakespeare says it in the speech by Prospero:<br /><br /> Our revels now are ended. These our actors,<br /> As I foretold you, were all spirits, and<br /> Are melted into air, into thin air:<br /> And like the baseless fabric of this vision,<br /> The cloud-capp'd tow'rs, the gorgeous palaces,<br /> The solemn temples, the great globe itself,<br /> Yea, all which itAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-46017412231763367642009-08-20T16:23:09.432-04:002009-08-20T16:23:09.432-04:00@ VK
First, I posted a long answer over on my blog...@ VK<br />First, I posted a long answer over on my blog.<br /><br />1) What is the point of "exploiters" feeling guilt over exploiting? - Well, here's an early guess. Exploiters NEED the exploited, and can endanger them by over-exploiting. So long-term successful exploiting requires powerful structural bars to minimize the dangers of over-exploitation. The two classic cultural Brian M.http://selfreferentialcollapse.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-65755550806117878822009-08-20T16:13:58.753-04:002009-08-20T16:13:58.753-04:00El G said:
Do wolves lie awake at night tortured ...El G said:<br /><br /><i>Do wolves lie awake at night tortured by thoughts of the neighbor they ripped apart earlier in the day for straying into their hunting grounds? I think not.</i><br /><br />For Life to go on, something else must also die.<br /><br />All living things on this planet live by devouring other living things<br /><br />And the longer one lives, the more living things one Ventriloquisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17710882943614273994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-25598812582387018732009-08-20T16:10:44.034-04:002009-08-20T16:10:44.034-04:00VK,
I agree with all you say and am impressed tha...VK,<br /><br />I agree with all you say and am impressed that you dared bring it up. As Captain Von Trapp said<br /><br /><i>To refuse them would be fatal for all of us. And joining them would be -- unthinkable.</i><br /><br />Unfortunately there is no mountain pass to Switzerland for most of us and we are left with the choice: the fatal or the unthinkable. Since we are here we have so far joinedThe Good Personnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-34872033626470950432009-08-20T15:51:39.860-04:002009-08-20T15:51:39.860-04:00People with a finely tuned moral and spiritual sen...People with a finely tuned moral and spiritual sense certainly find themselves in quite a pickle. Evolution involves selective breeding, and selective breeding involves selective survival. While humans lay less eggs than oysters, equilibrium populations maintain that the average female have no more than two offspring that reach breeding age. So the master plan involves a lot of "selfish el gallinazohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00642036843036726232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-55462921138133090392009-08-20T15:48:10.205-04:002009-08-20T15:48:10.205-04:00“U.S. commercial real estate activity in the secon...“U.S. commercial real estate activity in the second quarter slowed to its lowest level in 15 years as demand for office and retail space collapsed amid the severe recession, a real estate trade group said Wednesday.”<br /><a href="http://www.cnbc.com/id/32475782" rel="nofollow">Commercial Real Estate Activity Hits 15-Year Low</a>Bigelowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16883913065391637120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-23646191611879492802009-08-20T15:44:56.867-04:002009-08-20T15:44:56.867-04:00@ Dr. J:
It is a grim comment on society that the...@ Dr. J:<br /><br />It is a grim comment on society that the questioner is apparently unaware that the IRS could make a "mistake" tomorrow at dawn and seize 100% of his assets by sundown.thethirdcoasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02828310354952426682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-72320199556547496252009-08-20T15:41:49.478-04:002009-08-20T15:41:49.478-04:00This from CNN.com today:
"Rep. Allen Boyd wa...This from CNN.com today:<br /><br />"Rep. Allen Boyd was asked at a health care town hall if reform would let the government access bank accounts."<br /><br />It must be demoralizing to have to deal with this level of stupidity day in, day out. I see that Fox News has greater viewership than MSNBC and CNN combined. This perhaps begins to explain why the ignorance is so pervasive and Dr Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-20306922141231914682009-08-20T15:17:55.916-04:002009-08-20T15:17:55.916-04:00Word regarding aforementioned guilt and culpabilit...Word regarding aforementioned guilt and culpability for modern living... <br /><br />Guilty, however if stuff like modern dentistry, refrigeration or sanitation require people's deaths to produce, I'm saddened, but lets keep doing it.Bigelowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16883913065391637120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-23645746113419641772009-08-20T14:50:21.927-04:002009-08-20T14:50:21.927-04:00Following on VK's last post, it's difficul...Following on VK's last post, it's difficult to escape the conclusion that life <i>requires</i> exploitation and therefore one must always suffer or cause suffering, or of course both. So what does this say about our moral devils, which so passionately afflict VK and which he so eloquently expresses, which demand that we should not cause suffering even though it seems that we must or ceaseUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15614205920972531674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-56133714484932724342009-08-20T14:33:53.743-04:002009-08-20T14:33:53.743-04:00Thanks for the many replies and thoughtful opinion...Thanks for the many replies and thoughtful opinions posted on the board today.<br /><br />One topic I would like to expand upon is the fact that civilization creates two basic roles, one of the exploiter and one of the exploited. There is a broad spectrum where both exploited and exploiter co-exist along a continuum.<br /><br />By that I mean, many on this board no doubt are shocked at the level VKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06843562351166927162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-91613795523143535242009-08-20T14:28:42.039-04:002009-08-20T14:28:42.039-04:00@ El galliziano
Actually great spiritual leaders ...@ El galliziano<br /><br />Actually great spiritual leaders have a long history of despair, and they don't always get past it. Mother Theresa's struggles with despair are a classic example that has been spun many different ways. Gandhi is another good case, spending his last years in despair over his failure to prevent the division of the subcontinent into India and Pakistan, and his Brian M.http://selfreferentialcollapse.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-39057618943659179542009-08-20T14:17:21.194-04:002009-08-20T14:17:21.194-04:00I also frequently am right where VK describes, and...I also frequently am right where VK describes, and it is what has driven me philosophically for years (rather than what I "should" have been working on.)<br /><br />In our society the very act of "eating lunch" is morally contaminated because the lunch will have been created by a process with lots of morally dubious components, and odds are high that the money you earned to Brian M.http://selfreferentialcollapse.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.com