tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post2165758817066477663..comments2024-02-28T22:03:57.237-05:00Comments on The Automatic Earth: Debt Rattle, September 18 2008: Burning down a house on fireIlargihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09698428009501267664noreply@blogger.comBlogger63125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-32662899367427530472008-09-20T21:36:00.000-04:002008-09-20T21:36:00.000-04:00Enough of the Bush bashing, the Obama ridiculing, ...Enough of the Bush bashing, the Obama ridiculing, the McCain criticizing; when are people going to wake up and see that they are all politicians. Bush has little power congress does not grant him. He asked congress and the senate for the 700 billion dollars. Duhhhhhh. The president does have some power but congress and the senate have more. They can override the veto and have done so. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17608542097986329849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-62647220984675480562008-09-20T19:57:00.000-04:002008-09-20T19:57:00.000-04:00We have got to stop this bailout!!http://subprimes...We have got to stop this bailout!!<BR/><BR/>http://subprimeshowtime.wordpress.com/2008/09/20/bushs-final-f-you-to-the-american-people-bankruptcy/Minton McKarkqueyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05600665156022020809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-60921126598340026702008-09-19T10:18:00.000-04:002008-09-19T10:18:00.000-04:00t-sam:Thanks. Interesting.We seem determined to r...t-sam:<BR/><BR/>Thanks. Interesting.<BR/><BR/>We seem determined to rob ourselves of the illusion of free-will, don't we? :><BR/><BR/>What is our place in the machine?The Lizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12044779666881689690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-23795761143778225872008-09-19T10:06:00.000-04:002008-09-19T10:06:00.000-04:00t-10-t:Good stuff. Thanks.t-10-t:<BR/><BR/>Good stuff. Thanks.The Lizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12044779666881689690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-68269596865386935012008-09-19T08:55:00.000-04:002008-09-19T08:55:00.000-04:00I think (there for I am Haha) that the virtual lif...I think (there for I am Haha) that the virtual life, AI computer programs and chaos theory have all been throughly pursued by Wall St interests. Finance is constantly cherry picking math majors from big time tech universities in search of the Perfect Algorithm to make money.<BR/><BR/>These 'Wunderkin' math folks are responsible for the 'Derivative Beast' after all. The people in charge of Wall StAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-5469538404760970572008-09-19T08:01:00.000-04:002008-09-19T08:01:00.000-04:00Hello,Tim, the primer exists at:http://www.theoild...Hello,<BR/><BR/>Tim, the primer exists at:<BR/>http://www.theoildrum.com/node/2871<BR/><BR/>About six months ago, I asked Stoneleigh for a level-2 course and she is apparently working on it.<BR/><BR/>Ciao,<BR/>FrançoisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-40696977849182563032008-09-19T02:24:00.000-04:002008-09-19T02:24:00.000-04:00I&S, You guys need a primer for this site! A...I&S,<BR/><BR/> You guys need a primer for this site! A link at the top of the page that explains the basics to new comers. It would cut down on the volume of recurrent questions and it would give me a place to send people to when they are struggling with the concepts.team10timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12100467801841348435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-28028586117721090672008-09-19T02:10:00.000-04:002008-09-19T02:10:00.000-04:00Hey hey /thehangedman/has anyone ever simply run a...Hey hey /thehangedman/<BR/><BR/><I>has anyone ever simply run a Fourier Analysis of the Dow or S&P500 using many years worth of data, to see what the component frequencies are?</I><BR/><BR/>Yes, absolutely it has been done. Numerous times by different people. If there is easy money in it, it has been looked at. The problem with simple and complex mathematical models of just the data is team10timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12100467801841348435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-16650817033533909622008-09-19T00:56:00.000-04:002008-09-19T00:56:00.000-04:00/thechangedman/:I haven't taken as much signal ana.../thechangedman/:<BR/><BR/>I haven't taken as much signal analysis as I'd like to have, but I can't imagine taking a DFT would tell you much. You'd get the seasons, of course, but I'd imagine <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autocorrelation" REL="nofollow">autocorrelation</A> to be a more useful analysis technique. Of course, what kind of window width would you be applying to the data if you Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-70705882302366180092008-09-19T00:13:00.000-04:002008-09-19T00:13:00.000-04:00Ghost:"What you are witnessing is similiar to...Ghost:<BR/>"What you are witnessing is similiar to Arrhythmia and Fibrillation. Read about them with google."<BR/><BR/> Elliot Waves and Fibonacci numbers aside for the moment, has anyone ever simply run a Fourier Analysis of the Dow or S&P500 using many years worth of data, to see what the component frequencies are? Would doing that reveal anything meaningful?The Lizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12044779666881689690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-83679866744969480472008-09-19T00:05:00.000-04:002008-09-19T00:05:00.000-04:00FB:"I have long thought that France and Germany ma...FB:<BR/>"I have long thought that France and Germany made precisely that effort in 2002/2003 leading up to the Iraq war.<BR/><BR/>In return, we were copiously insulted and roundly punished for years, in fact until 2007 when the future husband of Carla came into power."<BR/> <BR/> I'm sure Wolf used the word "intervene" deliberately. Refusing to participate in mass murder is all good, but not The Lizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12044779666881689690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-3954700066940773982008-09-18T23:54:00.000-04:002008-09-18T23:54:00.000-04:00Ilargi -- Thanks for the link to the Griffin inter...Ilargi -- Thanks for the link to the Griffin interview!<BR/><BR/>DaveMatthews -- I've read to much Byzantium history to discount the role of conspiracies in history (including our current history). And, while the oft-mentioned PPT may not exist in that name or form, I have no doubt that our gov't has figured out a way to at least temporarily steer or influence market directions. I always think Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-19385442686895796032008-09-18T23:44:00.000-04:002008-09-18T23:44:00.000-04:00Check this out,if the link works for you. Look at ...Check this out,if the link works for you. Look at the volume chart: huge trade volumes followed by zero,then huge, then zero...and all the volume numbers for the large trades always going up...<BR/><BR/>http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=^GSPC#chart1:symbol=^gspc;range=1d;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=cross;ohlcvalues=1;logscale=off;source=undefinedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-86356333667498355072008-09-18T23:35:00.001-04:002008-09-18T23:35:00.001-04:00Insider -- here's a little 17th century perspectiv...Insider -- here's a little 17th century perspective for ya!<BR/><BR/>LORD POLONIUS:<BR/>Neither a borrower nor a lender be;<BR/>For loan oft loses both itself and friend,<BR/>And borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry.<BR/><BR/>Borrowing to invest in future productivity sounds like a terrific idea in a culture that knows nothing but debt as a means of paying for current needs while also those Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-28065207412455886382008-09-18T23:35:00.000-04:002008-09-18T23:35:00.000-04:00Hey Ghost here is the TSXCanadian stock exchange. ...Hey Ghost here is the TSX<A HREF="http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=%5EGSPTSE#chart10:symbol=%5Egsptse;range=20051219,20080912;indicator=split+volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off" REL="nofollow">Canadian stock exchange</A>. This link should take you to the day's events, but move it to two years and take a look at the period from July 2007 on, increasingly great swings Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-27907108516220959232008-09-18T22:18:00.000-04:002008-09-18T22:18:00.000-04:00ccpo said..."What you are observing is not "typica...ccpo said<BR/><BR/>..."What you are observing is not "typical trading behavior" though .."<BR/><BR/>What you are witnessing is similiar to Arrhythmia and Fibrillation. Read about them with google.<BR/><BR/>The patterns you are seeing in the market are like the patterns you would see as someone is dying.<BR/><BR/>Every living thing dies and the pattern, while not exactly the same, is quite similarAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-59439248746632870612008-09-18T22:01:00.000-04:002008-09-18T22:01:00.000-04:00And the great SEC Chairman Christopher Cox did dec...And the great SEC Chairman Christopher Cox did declare that henceforth and until we see fit there will be no more short selling in these United States of America, naked or otherwise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-53945875138434039432008-09-18T22:00:00.000-04:002008-09-18T22:00:00.000-04:00Ilargi,Your thoughts on the connection between war...Ilargi,<BR/><BR/>Your thoughts on the connection between war and breaking from the gold standard is an interesting pattern, thanks for the input.<BR/><BR/>As for Insider,<BR/><BR/>You asked several questions and have been answered, now I have one for you. <BR/><BR/>Time is the most valuable commodity that I think there is. Without Time you have nothing. <BR/><BR/>So the question is,<BR/><BR/>How bicycle mechanichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17008971495294158347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-56177914874079608302008-09-18T21:59:00.000-04:002008-09-18T21:59:00.000-04:00Ha! Ilargi did you see the headline photo of Harpe...Ha! Ilargi did you see the headline photo of Harper in a builders hard hat pumping the home builders industry? On seeing that my first thought was he must be scared to scam the people so. <BR/>And if US and UK gov'ts are willing to break the law for their banks don't think for a moment that our gov't would hesitate.( excepting Garth Turner of course ) The precedent is set and the voters in the USscandiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07924260428840006237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-48756354443237199942008-09-18T21:52:00.000-04:002008-09-18T21:52:00.000-04:00Hello ccpo, "Now,is it my imagination,or is this t...Hello ccpo, <BR/><BR/>"Now,is it my imagination,or is this the PPT in action? Or,is this very strange pattern of ever-increasing, huge bets a typical trading pattern that I have just missed for the last few decades?"<BR/><BR/>I didn't spend any time watching the stock market today or yesterday or any day (for that matter), my time is occupied by more important things than anything which humankindAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-58997358810561504412008-09-18T21:28:00.000-04:002008-09-18T21:28:00.000-04:00I hate to sound so utterly idiotic, but am a novic...I hate to sound so utterly idiotic, but am a novice to the markets in specifics. I posted my Q at TOD,but got no response. Here goes: The last couple days I've watched the S&P minute by minute out of pure curiosity. It was bizarre.<BR/><BR/>There were ever-increasing very large inputs into the markets regularly, but particularly when it was going downward up to around 2PM, at which time Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-78528735280334934162008-09-18T21:22:00.000-04:002008-09-18T21:22:00.000-04:00Michael Adams has won the first round with this co...Michael Adams has won the first round with this comment:<BR/><BR/><I>My understanding is that the major financial institutions are currently putting up their toxic paper as collateral in exchange for liquidity injections from the Fed's discount window. Does the Fed (i.e., the US taxpayer) not then become liable for the collateralized toxic paper if, or more like when, more writedowns occur.</I><Starcadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09226367306835781483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-52401820790277420872008-09-18T21:15:00.000-04:002008-09-18T21:15:00.000-04:00Thanks for the info on the Vichy gov François. It'...Thanks for the info on the Vichy gov François. It's not taught much in any school. It is an interesting historical chapter.<BR/><BR/>Blue MondayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-15676782545248573622008-09-18T21:00:00.000-04:002008-09-18T21:00:00.000-04:00Ilargi -Thank you (and Stoneleigh) for taking the ...Ilargi -<BR/><BR/>Thank you (and Stoneleigh) for taking the time to answer. More than anything I'm impressed by the fact that you have the patience to repeatedly answer various iterations of the same questions with such thoughtfulness.<BR/><BR/>As I said, I find the deflation argument far more persuasive than any other macroeconomic explanation for the current crisis that I have found, and I haveUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12449452173636791089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-37912583914348482652008-09-18T20:41:00.000-04:002008-09-18T20:41:00.000-04:00Okay ilargi I will buy that and cry, " more of the...Okay ilargi I will buy that and cry, " more of the same bartender", but where do we go from here? What would you think of the possibility of putting our leaders on the geld standard, not much chance I guess?<BR/><BR/>igz.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com