tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post505449884462625071..comments2024-02-28T22:03:57.237-05:00Comments on The Automatic Earth: April 6 2009 2: The Plan is The GameIlargihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09698428009501267664noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-44300604403688164442009-04-07T14:20:00.000-04:002009-04-07T14:20:00.000-04:00Ilargi:thank you for another superb post. I read e...Ilargi:thank you for another superb post. I read every line. I even contributed a small sum to your superb effort. I am unemployed and I will contribute more when I can afford it. Joe Bageant's piece was stunning. Some of the folks who comment are first rate as well especially Stoneleigh.sv kohohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11058401490041584973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-60041651479384273962009-04-07T13:08:00.000-04:002009-04-07T13:08:00.000-04:00Snuffy,In addition to forwarding Ilargi's keen...Snuffy,<BR/><BR/>In addition to forwarding Ilargi's keen observations daily to my significant other, I now am in the habit of a daily Stoneleigh e-mail summing up her keen thoughts on the comments section that day.<BR/><BR/>Outstanding stuff on a daily basis from I&S.<BR/><BR/>signed,<BR/><BR/>a fanMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05716828239924827486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-90079765314213837722009-04-07T13:00:00.000-04:002009-04-07T13:00:00.000-04:00Its hard ,sometimes ,to look in the mirror that Jo...Its hard ,sometimes ,to look in the mirror that Joe hold to us.But if you look carefully,you can see truths that you wont see in anyone's else work.I like his writings,but they contain so many painful truths I take them in small doses,like a "shot for what ails you"<BR/> Stoneleigh,<BR/> It occurs to me after reading the book evaluation you did at TOD that you are developing what appears to be Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-66726436290299306902009-04-07T11:42:00.000-04:002009-04-07T11:42:00.000-04:00Greenpa said:"The problem with Joe is that he writ...Greenpa said:<BR/><BR/><I>"The problem with Joe is that he writes as if all this stuff has just happened. Yesterday we lived in paradise, and today the thieves have stolen everything."</I><BR/><BR/>Bageant is not naive. I think you're misinterpreting or not understanding what Joe Pageant is doing and saying. Basically, he is examining our American culture from a sociological point of view. The Ahimsanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-84976139398433267332009-04-07T11:00:00.000-04:002009-04-07T11:00:00.000-04:00I see Mr. Bageant is well on his way to establishi...I see Mr. Bageant is well on his way to establishing a new sub-herd!<BR/><BR/>Not that there's anything wrong with that. :-)Robertonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-44560023628738265322009-04-07T10:51:00.000-04:002009-04-07T10:51:00.000-04:00Joe Bageant: "Given the financialization of all as...Joe Bageant: "Given the financialization of all aspects of our culture and lives, even our so-called leisure time, it is not an exaggeration to say that true democracy is dead and a corporate financial state has now arrived. "<BR/><BR/>The problem with Joe is that he writes as if all this stuff has just happened. Yesterday we lived in paradise, and today the thieves have stolen everything.<BR/><Greenpahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17224906349154302210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-33490144191824669702009-04-07T10:19:00.000-04:002009-04-07T10:19:00.000-04:00Thanks for the Joe Bageant article, Ilargi. A cri ...Thanks for the Joe Bageant article, Ilargi. A cri de coeur if there ever was one, and believe me, I was was moved. It made me think of <A HREF="http://www.ianwelsh.net/the-personal-politics-of-hopelessness/" REL="nofollow">this article</A> I'd read a few days ago, hitting some similar themes on the spiritual perspectives of the poor individual with few choices. It's not as uplifting or as wide Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15614205920972531674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-59343209818925830832009-04-07T09:59:00.000-04:002009-04-07T09:59:00.000-04:00el g, in ref. to your comments yesterday re deflat...el g, in ref. to your comments yesterday re deflation.<BR/><BR/>I am watching the peripheries. Switzerland, Korea, and of course Japan, places where deflation has already started but they don't want to be stuck with it alone and it becomes a hot potato they try to pass along. At the end of that line is the US, by which time the potato will be the size of a boulder and hot as lava. The process Submit your advicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01867890217907128363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-51861999737902847882009-04-07T09:31:00.000-04:002009-04-07T09:31:00.000-04:00Sachs: " the amount of potential rip-off in the Ge...Sachs: " the amount of potential rip-off in the Geithner-Summers plan is unconscionably large."<BR/><BR/>LOL!!!!!<BR/><BR/>so, there would be "conscionable" amount of rip-off possible?? <BR/><BR/>still laughing.Greenpahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17224906349154302210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-79216496936998022782009-04-07T09:00:00.000-04:002009-04-07T09:00:00.000-04:00Stoneleigh --I was stunned to see the following op...Stoneleigh --<BR/><BR/>I was stunned to see the following opinions. First, Marc Faber saying we've seen the bottom:<BR/><BR/>http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a1imS..JF52A&refer=home<BR/><BR/>And then Michael Panzner's concern that inflation will return sooner than expected:<BR/><BR/>http://www.financialarmageddon.com/2009/04/more-reasons-to-worry.html<BR/><BR/>canoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-60962284321881419982009-04-07T07:56:00.000-04:002009-04-07T07:56:00.000-04:00I used to "hate" tv, especially commercials. It re...I used to "hate" tv, especially commercials. It represented everything I thought was wrong with society. Now, I find I appreciate it's ability to numb my senses, keep me entertained and somewhat informed. However, after reading Bageant's speech, I hate it again, but fear that it will be one of the few things to do when TSHTF.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-824348712681218592009-04-07T07:50:00.000-04:002009-04-07T07:50:00.000-04:00I quite agree about Joe Bageant. I love his writin...I quite agree about Joe Bageant. I love his writing. <I>Deer Hunting With Jesus</I> is a great book, and I also enjoyed <A HREF="http://www.counterpunch.org/bageant05252004.html" REL="nofollow">Thy Will Be Done on Earth as It is in Texas</A>.Stoneleighhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15099878430757036461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-8516478929725047212009-04-07T07:42:00.000-04:002009-04-07T07:42:00.000-04:00Someone asked a while ago if a collapse in purchas...Someone asked a while ago if a collapse in purchasing power meant inflation. It does not. Deflation doesn't erode purchasing power as inflation does - deflation drops it in its tracks. That is what we are facing over the next couple of years after the rally is over.<BR/><BR/>We will see unemployment shoot up, access to credit removed except for the very wealthy, benefits and entitlements cut to Stoneleighhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15099878430757036461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-61785346171250240842009-04-07T07:41:00.000-04:002009-04-07T07:41:00.000-04:00My best guess is that the rally will last for seve...My best guess is that the rally will last for several months, even as the fundamentals generally remain awful. Some measures could improve in the interim though, as a long enough rally will see a temporary return of confidence, and confidence essentially IS liquidity. Reality bites in the end, but people are extraordinarily capable of collectively ignoring it for quite long periods - long enough Stoneleighhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15099878430757036461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-67645102171797668542009-04-07T02:15:00.000-04:002009-04-07T02:15:00.000-04:00Hi All,So much of the information on the Auto-Eart...Hi All,<BR/><BR/>So much of the information on the Auto-Earth is about the effects of our 'cultural conditioning'. And as we learn of the depth of these societal and economic problems... many of us are moved to ask: What can be done ? What can WE do ? And asking that, many of us come up with many different answers.<BR/><BR/>It was truly a beautiful & great experience to read Joe xtropy27https://www.blogger.com/profile/07420203877034016710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-59938988204752777562009-04-07T01:18:00.000-04:002009-04-07T01:18:00.000-04:00I've been a faithful reader ever since the apocaly...I've been a faithful reader ever since the apocalyptic nature of this economic crisis became apparent. Under such circumstance one savors clear-headed rational thinking, so thank you Ilargi.<BR/><BR/>I spent my life growing into a confirmed Marxist and so very confident that this capitalist model of economic organization would come tumbling down eventually. But now it appears it will bring the andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03729973018160659213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-950852934656871222009-04-06T23:19:00.000-04:002009-04-06T23:19:00.000-04:00Years and years ago, I met Hunter Thompson by shee...Years and years ago, I met Hunter Thompson by sheer accident in a diner, south of Woody Creek,CO.<BR/><BR/>It was a country and western local diner with country and western songs on the jukebox, all except one song.<BR/><BR/>It was by a band called, "Blue Cheer" who at the time advertised themselves as the loudest rock band on Earth.<BR/><BR/>The song, which I put in a quarter to hear, was indeedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-22896306606703525462009-04-06T22:57:00.000-04:002009-04-06T22:57:00.000-04:00Here is the latest episodeSurvival+ 8Here is the latest episode<BR/><A HREF="http://www.oftwominds.com/blog.html" REL="nofollow" TITLE="Survival+ 8">Survival+ 8</A>jalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-83891797573783183262009-04-06T22:22:00.001-04:002009-04-06T22:22:00.001-04:00I too have never posted before this, and I would l...I too have never posted before this, and I would like to say what a delight Joe Bageant is. I've read his work before,and he is brilliant. On the opposite end of the spectrum of humanity and light is the loathsome Gary North, whose mere mention in an otherwise informative article makes me ill. How that con artist has any credibility at all is beyond me. Enough of that....All Hail Bageant!jlcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-4218779255855179692009-04-06T22:22:00.000-04:002009-04-06T22:22:00.000-04:00Bageant has a blog - amazing writing!Ghosts of Ti...Bageant has a blog - amazing writing!<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.joebageant.com/joe/2007/05/ghosts_of_tim_l.html" REL="nofollow">Ghosts of Tim Leary and Hunter Thompson</A><BR/><I>"And here you are still moving through the American culture like an avalanche of pure appetite. You are the python and American culture is the pig in your belly.<BR/><BR/>"Your generation is in charge from here on Persephonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16990525279110502147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-74509687942195777982009-04-06T21:28:00.000-04:002009-04-06T21:28:00.000-04:00All great articles Ilargi!The Meredith Whitney int...All great articles Ilargi!<BR/>The Meredith Whitney interview was great and I LOVED the Bageant article!<BR/><BR/>In fact, the following quote from the article reminded me of my favorite Canadian band:<BR/><BR/><I>"In our theater state, we know the world through media productions which are edited and shaped to instruct us on how to look and behave and view the outside world. As in all staged Persephonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16990525279110502147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-69666077624466409662009-04-06T21:24:00.000-04:002009-04-06T21:24:00.000-04:00The meltdown is has never been 'political' in the ...The meltdown is has never been 'political' in the normal sense.<BR/><BR/>It is a criminal enterprise, not a political ideology.<BR/><BR/>Democratic vs Republican is part of the distraction tractic, part of the "Long Con".<BR/><BR/>"A "con" or "confidence game" is a method of theft that has been in existence as long as "money" has existed. <BR/><BR/>A "long con" is simply an elaborate scheme that Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-58215445890638612192009-04-06T20:53:00.000-04:002009-04-06T20:53:00.000-04:00I read vitually every day now too. Just way too d...I read vitually every day now too. Just way too damn important and valuable a resource to ignore. Thank you, thank you, thank you.Earth Lingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-897032304365057232009-04-06T20:30:00.000-04:002009-04-06T20:30:00.000-04:00IlargiThank you yet again. I read you every day, ...Ilargi<BR/><BR/>Thank you yet again. I read you every day, I rarely post. But I have sent the link to TAE to every caring (and some not so caring) person I know. Spreading the Word!<BR/><BR/>Deniseobviouslyanonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11093266896564967942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-29875604163100677402009-04-06T20:25:00.000-04:002009-04-06T20:25:00.000-04:00"Joe Bageant is rare American treasure, a writer w..."Joe Bageant is rare American treasure, a writer who makes you take a new look at yourself."<BR/><BR/>He surely does that!<BR/><BR/>After reading this article I will get his book to read. Thoughtful, challenging, timely stuff.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for putting his words up today.Hombrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12930734368916487826noreply@blogger.com