tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post5419590710927335632..comments2024-02-28T22:03:57.237-05:00Comments on The Automatic Earth: February 17 2010: Did peak oil cause the present financial crisis?Ilargihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09698428009501267664noreply@blogger.comBlogger218125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-36043060422530968302010-02-23T04:15:52.738-05:002010-02-23T04:15:52.738-05:00An interesting debate. I highly recommend you to r...An interesting debate. I highly recommend you to read Howard T. Odum's excellent book Environment, Power and Society for the Twenty-First Century: The Hierarchy of Energy.<br /><br />It offers a rare, fresh, enlightening glimpse of the Big Picture of our environmental and energy problems which limits the potential economic growth and credit supply.<br /><br /><a href="http://Geekrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04462278318441379978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-25940408748677001112010-02-19T20:18:00.880-05:002010-02-19T20:18:00.880-05:00Greenpa - Yes, I've seen them all! (John Wayne...Greenpa - Yes, I've seen them all! (John Wayne movies). But it is one thing to be entertained, and quite another to separate fiction from reality in the real world. ;-)<br /><br />In fact, one of my favorite lines, from "The Undefeated"...<br /><br />"What'll we do now John Henry?"<br />"Well... that's already been decided."Hombrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12930734368916487826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-90242758288586047592010-02-19T17:32:33.349-05:002010-02-19T17:32:33.349-05:00El. Gall - thanks for the second chance at that on...El. Gall - thanks for the second chance at that one; it was one of several I really wanted to get to; but gots swamped in pesky ol' 'reality'.<br /><br />" If one accepts that the late African Gray parrot, Alex Pepperberg, had the intellectual ability of a typical human child age 2.5-3.0 years of age, but a brain the size of a shelled walnut, it there any viable explanation for Greenpahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17224906349154302210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-43753472606852415552010-02-19T17:19:13.250-05:002010-02-19T17:19:13.250-05:00New post up.
A thousand miles behind
.New post up.<br /><br /><br /><br /><a href="http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/2010/02/february-19-2010-thousand-miles-behind.html" rel="nofollow"><br /><b> A thousand miles behind</b></a><br /><br /><br /><br />.Ilargihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09698428009501267664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-24928921629451521762010-02-19T16:43:57.406-05:002010-02-19T16:43:57.406-05:00Amy Goodman had Joe Stiglitz fill most of her show...Amy Goodman had Joe Stiglitz fill most of her show yesterday. The following is an open letter which I just sent to her.<br /><br />+++++++++++++<br /><br />Amy,<br /><br />First, the so-called Nobel Prize in Economics is not a real Nobel Prize. Look up its origin on Wikipedia. It was invented in the 1960's, long after the real Nobel prizes. The proper name for it is "Nobel Memorial el gallinazohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00642036843036726232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-17027479616074809132010-02-19T16:12:11.861-05:002010-02-19T16:12:11.861-05:00Stoneleigh,
Before I disagree with you, let me sa...Stoneleigh,<br /><br />Before I disagree with you, let me say how much that I admire both you and Ilargi. Indeed, I consider you both truth seekers and phrase turners of the highest order. <br /><br />Being on the "side of the angels" has its costs. The truth struggles, but usually it gets out. Often in the process the hardest fights are amongst the angels themselves- ask Lucifer :>Tom Therramushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01955050476386723591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-64416852180964907292010-02-19T16:05:44.522-05:002010-02-19T16:05:44.522-05:00Here's another view of this: http://www.theoil...Here's another view of this: http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6226Mulligan Stewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13601262373439334647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-43221634505313294842010-02-19T16:03:18.071-05:002010-02-19T16:03:18.071-05:00I don’t claim Peak Oil directly caused the multitu...I don’t claim Peak Oil directly caused the multitudinous ponzi bubbles symptomatic of the financial criminality worshipped today. <br /><br />I do buy into the theory as Ilargi writes “The truly powerful people on this planet ...devised strategies to hold on to what they had in the face of what he predicted, and decided to (pre-)crash the entire world economy in the face of the inevitable crash Bigelowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16883913065391637120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-1995314225851825642010-02-19T15:46:42.961-05:002010-02-19T15:46:42.961-05:00@ Weaseldog
What The Buzzard said x 2.
I am a pe...@ Weaseldog<br /><br />What The Buzzard said x 2.<br /><br />I am a peak oiler and I absolutely agree that our high muckety mucks have seen oil as mighty important even way before OPEC existed. Let me suggest that we all try to agree that we do not know what the banksters or their marks knew and when they knew it. What I want to believe is that most of us here know that they screwed us and intendPhlogiston Água de Beberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16269917130349144430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-29472065713725838152010-02-19T15:30:33.780-05:002010-02-19T15:30:33.780-05:00@ Weaseldog
Why are you leaving??? WTF?! Stay! I...@ Weaseldog<br /><br />Why are you leaving??? WTF?! Stay! I like your comments and you're fun to debate with. Chill!VKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06843562351166927162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-60679756812510982532010-02-19T15:14:32.047-05:002010-02-19T15:14:32.047-05:00Greenpa,
Since you have come back on line here, I...Greenpa,<br /><br />Since you have come back on line here, I am going to ask you a question regarding the biologist community, which I threw out a month or two ago without a response. If one accepts that the late African Gray parrot, Alex Pepperberg, had the intellectual ability of a typical human child age 2.5-3.0 years of age, but a brain the size of a shelled walnut, it there any viable el gallinazohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00642036843036726232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-4579854370924633162010-02-19T14:29:45.578-05:002010-02-19T14:29:45.578-05:00Coy Oatey: " perpetrate an agressive war on a...Coy Oatey: " perpetrate an agressive war on a foreign country, bringing death and destruction to tens of thousands, and producing an ongoing chaotic and violent environment. And what does the public expect"<br /><br />What, did you miss ALL those John Wayne movies??Greenpahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17224906349154302210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-63062269049071672412010-02-19T14:23:27.986-05:002010-02-19T14:23:27.986-05:00Weaseldog
I don't think anyone here wants you...Weaseldog<br /><br />I don't think anyone here wants you to go away. Some might feel that the details have now been beaten to death, and has reached the point where we just have to agree to disagree. I, for one, have found you, for example, a serious resource why atomic energy cannot replace oil. So I hope you are not referring to leaving this commentariat. But I am starting to tune out el gallinazohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00642036843036726232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-69104948221956678602010-02-19T14:13:59.579-05:002010-02-19T14:13:59.579-05:00Coy ote,
...deep down, that they are wrong
I beli...Coy ote,<br />...deep down, that they are wrong<br /><br />I believe you are right, oh yes they know it alright, but deep down these are also unhappy people, mostly narcissists, who totally fail to see the sheer scale of misery caused coz'it ain't them, and because of their unhappiness, are secretly pleased to see others "getting theirs", a sort of schadenfreude resulting from azanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15352619368764868819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-23246824006571771312010-02-19T13:59:35.483-05:002010-02-19T13:59:35.483-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09627943828901298391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-62421061779724360082010-02-19T13:48:15.876-05:002010-02-19T13:48:15.876-05:00Heads up for all you tin foil people, particularly...Heads up for all you tin foil people, particularly if you are an engineer or architect - dealing with 9/11. Unfortunately, it is combined with a pledge drive, so a bit diluted.<br /><br />Guns & Butter<br />http://www.kpfa.org/archive/id/58723el gallinazohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00642036843036726232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-63289975947970959752010-02-19T13:46:52.581-05:002010-02-19T13:46:52.581-05:00@ TAE Summary
Wow, thanks! This is a great thread ...@ TAE Summary<br />Wow, thanks! This is a great thread and you manage to summarize it with humor that had me LOL.<br /><br />Going forward from here will find a good belly laugh ever more rare and precious.woodsy_gardenerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16332892201134992904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-89415816307530739592010-02-19T13:38:53.598-05:002010-02-19T13:38:53.598-05:00Tom Therramus,
Unpredictability in oil price has ...Tom Therramus,<br /><br /><i>Unpredictability in oil price has knock on effects on inflation rate.</i><br /><br />No it doesn't. Prices rise, but that is not inflation. Inflation is an increase in the supply of money and credit relative to available goods and services. Prices rise as a lagging effect of inflation.<br /><br /><i>Spikes in price and/or supply are characteristic of a resource inStoneleighhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15099878430757036461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-11211606266234725242010-02-19T13:22:23.282-05:002010-02-19T13:22:23.282-05:00TAE Summary,
Brilliant. You always make me laugh ...TAE Summary,<br /><br />Brilliant. You always make me laugh :)Stoneleighhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15099878430757036461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-46723183819910292722010-02-19T13:14:48.791-05:002010-02-19T13:14:48.791-05:00Great discussions today, a lot to read thru, thank...Great discussions today, a lot to read thru, thanks to everyone who contributed. Because credit is so important in today's global economy, as VK posted @12:58, when the financial Ponzi implodes, does that indicate that all credit will immediately stop, at that time? Or will the use of credit slowly wind down as businesses decide not to accept credit any more?bluebirdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09600634086150466162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-14054530092479569752010-02-19T13:13:31.282-05:002010-02-19T13:13:31.282-05:00@ TAE Summary,
Truly one of your best! Keep up t...@ TAE Summary,<br /><br />Truly one of your best! Keep up the good work.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00451640089117391211noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-49403615213228510012010-02-19T13:00:25.817-05:002010-02-19T13:00:25.817-05:00I know it's off topic... but... I find it an i...I know it's off topic... but... I find it an interesting and compelling contrast in what the public expects and from whom. In this case I am thinking of a president and a sports star.<br /><br />A sports star cheats, many times, and when it is discovered, the public expects an elongated contrite public apology and is treated to the same--as per today on CNN and repeated on cable around the Hombrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12930734368916487826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-57976880223381185242010-02-19T12:58:22.367-05:002010-02-19T12:58:22.367-05:00The laws of physics were in place long before the ...<i>The laws of physics were in place long before the laws economics or finance.<br /><br />IMO you'all have to heat the pot to make gumbo.</i><br /><br />Hardly.<br /><br />Try buying the gumbo without credit?<br /><br />Try manufacturing a pot without excess to shipping credit to import the iron ore?<br /><br />Try managing cash flows in the iron pot factory without credit?<br /><br />Try VKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06843562351166927162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-78662553480284861702010-02-19T12:50:37.827-05:002010-02-19T12:50:37.827-05:00@ Weaseldog
South East Asia has abundant natural ...@ Weaseldog<br /><br /><i>South East Asia has abundant natural gas supplies and Germany has access to cheap overland routes for oil, coal and natural gas.</i><br /><br />I was using the example of first world nations. But me thinks you're forgetting that the US still produces a huge amount of oil, has some of the world's largest reserves of coal and Canada and Mexico have huge energy VKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06843562351166927162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-66973348897064605442010-02-19T12:09:37.267-05:002010-02-19T12:09:37.267-05:00Just so ya know- not dead here, just cackling a li...Just so ya know- not dead here, just cackling a little, and very grateful I do not have any dogs, or gods, in this fight.<br /><br />I truly don't much care why. Just want to know what.<br /><br />Sure, it's NICE to know why- but it's really not all that necessary. <br /><br />I know, heresy. Sosumi.Greenpahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17224906349154302210noreply@blogger.com