tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post2403784234444335893..comments2024-02-28T22:03:57.237-05:00Comments on The Automatic Earth: April 22 2009 2: Not If But WhenIlargihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09698428009501267664noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-61069973353669390832009-04-23T14:17:00.000-04:002009-04-23T14:17:00.000-04:00El G said:
"The question of the ethical meat eati...El G said:<br /><br /><I>"The question of the ethical meat eating is tricky, as long as the animals are allowed to live properly, not fed grain, and raised on land that is poor for other agricultural purposes.."</I>I had no intention of discussing the ethics of meat-based vs. plant-based diets in general. I know it is a controversial topic and not appropriate for this blog.<br /><br />I was Ahimsanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-77840834550673465532009-04-23T13:59:00.000-04:002009-04-23T13:59:00.000-04:00@ Dr J
Those who proselytize that they are superi...@ Dr J<br /><br /><I>Those who proselytize that they are superior in terms of health benefits, however, are misinformed.</I><popping some corn, getting ready for the Dr J/Ahimsa show><br /><br />Seriously, this argument endlessly defaults to Ashimsa's POV out of sheer attrition. She will outpost you until you give up ;-)<br /><br />I'm a Weston Price minded opportunivore myself, andToddmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17663381108485431038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-14038942085507020542009-04-23T13:48:00.000-04:002009-04-23T13:48:00.000-04:00I think a discussion of dietary patterns is releva...I think a discussion of dietary patterns is relevant since food security is going to be one of the first and most pressing issues when TS starts HingTF. I have no problem with people choosing a vegetarian or vegan diet based on sympathy for animals. Those who proselytize that they are superior in terms of health benefits, however, are misinformed. While it is possible to eat a vegan diet in our Dr Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-82164945920825666402009-04-23T13:41:00.000-04:002009-04-23T13:41:00.000-04:00El Gal,
You wrote, "Whether it is "healthful" is...El Gal,<br /> You wrote, "Whether it is "healthful" is not really an ethical argument - it's a pragmatic one which, in theory, could be based in science. Both sides have lots of ammunitions."<br /><br /> I used to think that too (and I was a vegetarian for years). Then I went and actually read quite a few of the scientific papers about diet and metabolism. The scientific evidence is actually EBrownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02894676347259218501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-46957711431431462082009-04-23T12:38:00.000-04:002009-04-23T12:38:00.000-04:00EBrown
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com...EBrown<br /><br />http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com<br />/2009/04/fdic-woefully-underfunded-problem.htmlel gallinazohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00642036843036726232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-81192017490331074162009-04-23T12:35:00.000-04:002009-04-23T12:35:00.000-04:00@EBrown
Yup. Point I was making originally. I a...@EBrown<br /><br />Yup. Point I was making originally. I am agnostic as well. Point is that in this case, we will never know the truth. If he did whack himself, it was probably because he was caught with his hand in the cookie jar and knew that we was bound to do time.<br /><br />Ahimsa<br /><br />I agree with EBrown's points. The question of the ethical meat eating is tricky, as long as theel gallinazohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00642036843036726232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-12508171214558106242009-04-23T12:10:00.000-04:002009-04-23T12:10:00.000-04:00And finally - since this is TAE - how about that l...And finally - since this is TAE - how about that link to Mish's site where he says teh new expanded limit on FDIC deposits is not currently accounted for in the DIF!!!<br /><br />I keep thinking things can't get too much more insane on the financial front before it shudders to a new, less active, smaller level of relative stability - much like the collapse of an ecosystem to a new, lower level ofEBrownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02894676347259218501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-8041772483310124782009-04-23T12:05:00.000-04:002009-04-23T12:05:00.000-04:00I'm agonostic on the whole Kellerman thing. I see...I'm agonostic on the whole Kellerman thing. I see it as entirely plausible that the stress of heading a huge, failing institution that he'd devoted 16 years of his life to was too much for him and he offed himself. Especially since he was privy to all the ugly spreadsheets and could easily see what the group here at TAE knows - Freddie adn Fannie are going down.<br /><br />I know there are EBrownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02894676347259218501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-84032065734844764082009-04-23T11:57:00.000-04:002009-04-23T11:57:00.000-04:00Ahimsa,
Thank you for your post on the abuses o...Ahimsa,<br /> Thank you for your post on the abuses of the meat industry. The vast majority of animals raised for meat and dairy in the US live in abominable conditions. From chicken houses with 100,000+ birds, to huge manure lagoons otherwise known as cattle feedlots, to the shit-filled prisons that house hogs, to "loafing barns" of barren concrete for dairy cows, our commodification of EBrownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02894676347259218501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-86576531991024162082009-04-23T11:54:00.000-04:002009-04-23T11:54:00.000-04:00Ahimsa
You won't find me arguing for factory ...Ahimsa<br /><br />You won't find me arguing for factory farming, especially for animals. I am well aware of their costs.<br /><br />I just think that you find reason's to demonize meat eating. <br /><br />The little thought experiment about fatties versus thinner 'health & longevity' person's is using the same logic of resource use as the feedlot scenario.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-20249643114558493992009-04-23T10:41:00.000-04:002009-04-23T10:41:00.000-04:00@Dr. J
"Dr J said...
Ahimsa - where do you ...@Dr. J<br /><br /> "Dr J said...<br /><br /> Ahimsa - where do you get your vitamin B12?"<br /><br />The same place you do -- food and a multivitamin. My B12 level has been quite normal (yearly lab work) throughout 15 years of consuming a plant-based diet.<br /><br />Check out Dr. Neal Barnard's many books and research on the health benefits of eating plant based. :)<br /><br /><br />@ Vicky<Ahimsanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-38666556718823190442009-04-23T10:26:00.000-04:002009-04-23T10:26:00.000-04:00"With our intentionally failing educational system..."With our intentionally failing educational system, Americans are born to be ignorant. My recommendation is to close down all the physical science departments and put the money into college football promotion."<br /><br />Or American "Idle"...Honest Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12695301971657136417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-78034966531173417152009-04-23T10:10:00.000-04:002009-04-23T10:10:00.000-04:00Anon 9:42
"and 90% of Europe believes 911 was a C...Anon 9:42<br /><br />"and 90% of Europe believes 911 was a CIA inside job (far higher than the US figure of 50%).”<br /><br />With our intentionally failing educational system, Americans are born to be ignorant. My recommendation is to close down all the physical science departments and put the money into college football promotion.el gallinazohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00642036843036726232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-84052150757027979162009-04-23T09:42:00.001-04:002009-04-23T09:42:00.001-04:00“My belief is that a sizeable 90% of Americans sen...“My belief is that a sizeable 90% of Americans sense something is really gone wrong at a national level, 50% think the USEconomy will become much worse, only 10% understand that insolvent banks do not return to life, a growing 40% are very angry at the bankers but in a vague unclear manner, no more than 30% understand that the Afghan War is about heroin (but only 5% understand the USMilitary has Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-41772363705863657822009-04-23T09:42:00.000-04:002009-04-23T09:42:00.000-04:00The Diamond story looks convincing within its bord...The Diamond story looks convincing within its borders, I agree, but it would be difficult to imagine a motive for Diamond to carry out such an elaborate fabrication. I suspect there is more here we just don't know about.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15614205920972531674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-89872709819530704732009-04-23T07:24:00.000-04:002009-04-23T07:24:00.000-04:00If the story on Diamond is true, and it certainly ...If the story on Diamond is true, and it certainly looks like it is, he'll have a lot of explaining to do.Ilargihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09698428009501267664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-28214738651931688622009-04-23T06:53:00.000-04:002009-04-23T06:53:00.000-04:00Jared Diamond is an out-and-out liar in my opinion...Jared Diamond is an out-and-out liar in my opinion.In-Like-Flynnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-68183495955251237282009-04-23T04:39:00.000-04:002009-04-23T04:39:00.000-04:00Ahimsa,Your comment yesterday was clearly to the p...Ahimsa,Your comment yesterday was clearly to the point.<br /><br /> How does one leave only "footprints" behind when your culture is based on consumption?...My response has been to recycle nearly everything...I have never owned a new car[buy good body,new engine,mate].I built my own house,from scraps salvaged from job sites[and was teased mercilessly about it]I live a frugal live.Wife and I Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-36157905149390418452009-04-23T02:39:00.000-04:002009-04-23T02:39:00.000-04:00@ cowpokeIs it worth it to have your money locked ...<B>@ cowpoke</B><BR><BR><I>Is it worth it to have your money locked up for 16 months?</I><BR><BR>In these troubling times, I like to have access to my money whenever I need it. Personally, I wouldn't lock your money up for 16 months. Have you considered a high interest / tax free savings account instead of a GIC? Canadian Tire has a 90-day promotion at 3.5% and they will even throw in $25. After Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15937782981943283715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-47067186035597553712009-04-22T23:45:00.000-04:002009-04-22T23:45:00.000-04:00Ahimsa
I do appreciate your heartfelt veganism an...Ahimsa<br /><br />I do appreciate your heartfelt veganism and attempts to justify it by showing how utterly wrong it is to eat meat. On this forum it would be the eco-footprint of beef production. On other forums it might be 'its not nice to eat the cute bunnies'.<br /><br />However, it may be possible that the fat and sluggish among us have a lesser footprint over a lifetime.<br /><br />Very Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-84505576183887115972009-04-22T23:33:00.000-04:002009-04-22T23:33:00.000-04:00Ahimsa - where do you get your vitamin B12?Ahimsa - where do you get your vitamin B12?Dr Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-55230515520014197802009-04-22T22:59:00.000-04:002009-04-22T22:59:00.000-04:00"13 Breathtaking Effects of Cutting Back on Meat: ...<I>"13 Breathtaking Effects of Cutting Back on Meat: The meat industry contributes to land degradation, climate change, air pollution, water shortage and pollution and loss of biodiversity."</I><A HREF="http://www.alternet.org/water/137737/13_breathtaking_effects_of_cutting_back_on_meat/" REL="nofollow">http://www.alternet.org/water/137737/13_breathtaking_effects_of_cutting_back_on_meat/</A>Ahimsanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-87941665439429944742009-04-22T22:20:00.000-04:002009-04-22T22:20:00.000-04:00Jared Diamond is an entertaining writer; however, ...Jared Diamond is an entertaining writer; however, I don't agree at all with his conclusions in "Guns,Germs,and Steel". He got the Pulitzer for being PC.jlcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-12072719207599538222009-04-22T21:06:00.000-04:002009-04-22T21:06:00.000-04:00A quick follow-up-
Upon further review, my link t...A quick follow-up-<br /><br />Upon further review, my link to the Stinky Journalism Diamond piece is an abridged, yet still informative, version of the full 40,000 word piece.thethirdcoasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02828310354952426682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-91065432034742429532009-04-22T21:02:00.000-04:002009-04-22T21:02:00.000-04:00The Jared Diamond Factual Collapse piece appears t...The Jared Diamond Factual Collapse piece appears to be posted here:<br /><br />http://www.stinkyjournalism.org/latest-journalism-news-updates-149.php<br /><br />Say it ain't so, Joe!thethirdcoasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02828310354952426682noreply@blogger.com