tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post3029793434087358009..comments2024-02-28T22:03:57.237-05:00Comments on The Automatic Earth: Debt Rattle, December 2 2008: I'm sorry it's happeningIlargihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09698428009501267664noreply@blogger.comBlogger59125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-48168292827871993022008-12-03T13:20:00.000-05:002008-12-03T13:20:00.000-05:00this is a riot...at least i laughed outloud.http:/...this is a riot...at least i laughed outloud.<BR/><BR/>http://ashizashiz.blogspot.com<BR/>/2008/12/hmmmmmmmmmmmm.htmlDanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02629934080871994373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-41105783277905977222008-12-03T13:08:00.000-05:002008-12-03T13:08:00.000-05:00Stoneleigh, can you expand on your statement about...Stoneleigh, can you expand on your statement about empty shelves in January? Will this be across the board or just foreign made products? Also, is there something event that will trigger this or is it just a consequence of the credit crisis?<BR/><BR/>I don't doubt that it can happen and it has me scared spitless.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-58019163412537049012008-12-03T12:26:00.000-05:002008-12-03T12:26:00.000-05:00ahimsa: "Individuals have the potential of becomin...ahimsa: "Individuals have the potential of becoming more spiritually beautiful before physically decaying."<BR/><BR/>Typically in societies where the life expectancy was around 25.<BR/><BR/>The problem is never how to live. It is how to live with each other.The Lizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12044779666881689690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-92011710882348505662008-12-03T11:47:00.000-05:002008-12-03T11:47:00.000-05:00Stoneleigh said:"Humanity will never achieve stabi...Stoneleigh said:<BR/><BR/>"Humanity will never achieve stability. It is simply not in our nature. We, and our societies, are born, we live and we die in long cycles of rise and fall, from dynamism and effectiveness to despotism and decay."<BR/><BR/>Yes, societies will never achieve stability. Collectively, we humans don't evolve enough to achieve positive and effective societal change. But even Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-18974573402960933532008-12-03T11:19:00.000-05:002008-12-03T11:19:00.000-05:00@ ANON RE: Baltic Dry and 200,000YES, the RATE pea...@ ANON RE: Baltic Dry and 200,000<BR/><BR/>YES, the RATE peaked at 11,750 and is now at 672, but the number quoted by Ilargi is a conversion of rate to $$$.<BR/><BR/>"...At the peak of the market, a 170,000-tonne Capesize bulk carrier was hired out at the eye-watering daily rate of $234,000. At the beginning of this week, it was $5,611 – a fall of nearly 98 per cent..." (The Independent)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-59669098410503971032008-12-03T10:59:00.000-05:002008-12-03T10:59:00.000-05:00Another example of the US transitioning to a tyran...Another example of the US transitioning to a tyrannical nation-state:<BR/><BR/>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/30/AR2008113002217_pf.html<BR/><BR/>"The US military expects to have 20,000 uniformed troops inside the United States by 2011 trained to help state and local officials respond to a nuclear terrorist attack or other domestic catastrophe, according to Pentagon Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-56899474607117216202008-12-03T10:26:00.000-05:002008-12-03T10:26:00.000-05:00".... we are witnessing a transition towards tyran...".... we are witnessing a transition towards tyranny in some form...."<BR/><BR/>-----<BR/>Pick a rainbow colour ...<BR/>North Korea ...China ... Cuba ...<BR/>debt bondage ...(USA)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-57819056406395022632008-12-03T09:21:00.000-05:002008-12-03T09:21:00.000-05:00From today's Bloomberg:"Stocks to Rise in...From today's Bloomberg:<BR/><BR/>"Stocks to Rise in ’09, UBS Says; S&P 500 May Gain 53% (Update2) Global stocks will withstand a “full-blown” recession and surge in 2009 as cheap valuations and efforts by governments to restore confidence in the financial system lure investors back to equities, UBS AG said."<BR/><BR/>Now if they had predicted 54% I would dump T-Bills and el gallinazohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00642036843036726232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-86105904776581388222008-12-03T08:50:00.000-05:002008-12-03T08:50:00.000-05:00@ StoneleighWell put. interestingly, the American ...@ Stoneleigh<BR/><BR/>Well put. interestingly, the American empire's decline after "only" 200 years reflects the hyper-annuated and exponentiation of everything really. And since the rise of the US Empire, graphically speaking, was so steep, its fall will be no less precipitous. I recall taking a class at Harvard Summer School back, yipes, in 1981? The prof. was a guy named Dov Ronen, and we Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-5695713666648436272008-12-03T08:44:00.000-05:002008-12-03T08:44:00.000-05:00Goritsas and Dan W,What you are talking about here...Goritsas and Dan W,<BR/><BR/>What you are talking about here ties in with the crisis of legitimacy that has been a common discussion point here, and with my concern over much greater centralization. A nation state less and less able to deliver on the social contract loses legitimacy rapidly and must therefore resort to more coercive methods in order to maintain control over an increasingly unrulyStoneleighhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15099878430757036461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-35844100996293158602008-12-03T07:35:00.000-05:002008-12-03T07:35:00.000-05:00@ goritsas RE: "...As the capacity of the nation-s...@ goritsas RE: "...As the capacity of the nation-state to fulfil its part of the social contract continues to decrease, the willingness of the citizen to support the nation-state will decrease...."<BR/><BR/>While I somewhat agree with your analyses regarding the failure of the nation-state and possible outcomes, IMO your statement above is missing a critical piece. You have drawn a direct Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-70850368627273304162008-12-03T04:18:00.000-05:002008-12-03T04:18:00.000-05:00In all the discussions here, there seems to be a q...In all the discussions here, there seems to be a quaint, almost charming, implicit assumption the nation-state as the primary organisational unit will not only remain intact but functional. That’s an assumption I think many of us might want to begin to reconsider.<BR/><BR/>The nation-state’s half of the social contract is becoming less and less fulfilled. Throughout the world we see crumbling goritsashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09767556060065779629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-56147658126203200182008-12-03T04:04:00.000-05:002008-12-03T04:04:00.000-05:00Interesting that Canada's parliament may be prorog...Interesting that Canada's parliament may be prorogued until late January. Seems that nobody wants to be running Canada during Ilargi's 'window of opportunity' for at least one of the Big Three to go bankrupt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-16620825207053457552008-12-03T00:44:00.000-05:002008-12-03T00:44:00.000-05:00This is a nice (IMHO) introduction to the Baltic D...This is a nice (IMHO) introduction to the Baltic Dry Shipping Index.<BR/><BR/>http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/11/2/0625/78338/393/649480.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03915219261001181341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-61657356641235452272008-12-03T00:17:00.000-05:002008-12-03T00:17:00.000-05:00Re: anon 11:02 PM and 11:26 PM,You might be talkin...Re: anon 11:02 PM and 11:26 PM,<BR/><BR/>You might be talking about different things. <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Dry_Index" REL="nofollow">Wikipedia's</A> external link for the Baltic Dry Index leads me to this page <A HREF="http://www.dryships.com/index.cfm?get=report" REL="nofollow">here</A>team10timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12100467801841348435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-16644035020409329472008-12-02T23:40:00.000-05:002008-12-02T23:40:00.000-05:00Recently came upon this site and found it very int...Recently came upon this site and found it very interesting.<BR/>Regarding Obama, he is the leader of the Democratic Party which is part of the status quo. Those that vote for either major party are voting for status quo so no surprise in any of his picks including Defense.Believe President Clinton did the same naming a Republican to Defense at one point, just shows how little will change at thelineup32https://www.blogger.com/profile/01645284557123359301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-62343597314891440282008-12-02T23:28:00.000-05:002008-12-02T23:28:00.000-05:00Just discovered this in my email ... very appropri...Just discovered this in my email ... very appropriate to my earlier comments.<BR/><I>Finally, a definition of globalisation I can understand and to which I can relate . <BR/><BR/>Question : What is the truest definition of Globalisation? <BR/> <BR/>Answer : Princes Diana's death. <BR/><BR/>Question : How come? <BR/><BR/>Answer : <BR/>An English princess with <BR/>an Egyptian boyfriend <BR/>Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10318309864441672787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-46160279458644990052008-12-02T23:26:00.000-05:002008-12-02T23:26:00.000-05:00not sure about the 200.000+ either, though i'm sur...not sure about the 200.000+ either, though i'm sure ilargi was just thinking of one of a million other numbers he has in his head. the BDSI peaked at just over 11,550: <A HREF="http://www.investmenttools.com/futures/bdi_baltic_dry_index.htm" REL="nofollow">BDSI Chart</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-9002997725850983552008-12-02T23:02:00.000-05:002008-12-02T23:02:00.000-05:00Ilargi: "They should all take a good look at the B...Ilargi: "They should all take a good look at the Baltic Dry Shipping Index, which is approaching 600, from 200.000+ a few months ago."<BR/><BR/>200.000+?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-4376988533510420172008-12-02T22:56:00.000-05:002008-12-02T22:56:00.000-05:00I am about to see my first real income since June ...I am about to see my first real income since June of 2007. I hope it holds together a bit in my sector ... the move to renewable energy seems timely. Things are getting ugly ... my girlfriend losing her job, all of my IT friends are laid off (hi, Bryan!) ... I've had all the knowledge to prepare, plenty of time, and <I>no money</I> and now that it's here I start getting paid again. This sucks ....https://www.blogger.com/profile/03915219261001181341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-59191231455599728652008-12-02T22:38:00.000-05:002008-12-02T22:38:00.000-05:00"Scapegoats", the Epict is coming to a theatre nea..."Scapegoats", the Epict is coming to a theatre near you.<BR/><BR/>It will be kinda like the TV show "American Idol" but it will be a "talentless contest" to see who is the most inept and souless and greedy.<BR/><BR/>The ones who "win" get to meet their maker.<BR/><BR/>No, not their Car Maker.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-83301051260482741552008-12-02T22:15:00.000-05:002008-12-02T22:15:00.000-05:00I am hoping your prediction of the shelves being b...I am hoping your prediction of the shelves being bare too soon is wrong...but on that note...<BR/><BR/> We have a large retailer up here Fred Meyers.Mid to upper level grocery,and consumer electronics ect.I went black friday for some other odds and was stuck by how little was available for sale...like no where near the usual piles and piles of goodies of every description....lodes of buyers...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-77933462535476502412008-12-02T21:54:00.000-05:002008-12-02T21:54:00.000-05:00It seems to my mind that much of the global proble...It seems to my mind that much of the global problem that we face is caused by the rapid and recent push towards globalization.<BR/><BR/>Having the world as a community of nations is likely more workable than having it as global conglomerate with nation states.<BR/><BR/>The picture in my mind is of a school bus rushing down a mountain trying to get away from an erupting volcano. Each of the Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10318309864441672787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-27240755577452104382008-12-02T21:47:00.000-05:002008-12-02T21:47:00.000-05:00Anon 9:24; I think you have the makings of a good ...Anon 9:24; I think you have the makings of a good durable sound bite there- The Rorschach President...<BR/><BR/>guess we all better be careful what we reveal!Greenpahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17224906349154302210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-80622008439166358992008-12-02T21:24:00.000-05:002008-12-02T21:24:00.000-05:00Obama as rorschach test again.They all see what th...Obama as rorschach test again.<BR/>They all see what they want to see.<BR/><BR/>I'll be looking around for those empty shelves in late january. [shudder]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com