tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post469200644050143700..comments2024-02-28T22:03:57.237-05:00Comments on The Automatic Earth: Debt Rattle, December 8 2008: Thinking about a thousand-year depressionIlargihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09698428009501267664noreply@blogger.comBlogger84125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-54460546881132944002008-12-09T19:40:00.000-05:002008-12-09T19:40:00.000-05:00Ilargi said:For climate "discussions" from now on,...Ilargi said:<BR/><I>For climate "discussions" from now on, go to realclimate.org. Stay there for a month, read it all, and then come back without ever mentioning the topic again. I did not build this site to see it be dragged into nonsensical talk. Go tell your religious views to the experts at Real Climate, if you must, but not here.</I><BR/><BR/>Hi Ilargi,<BR/>Certainly I will accede to your Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10318309864441672787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-38087022446748992342008-12-09T14:44:00.000-05:002008-12-09T14:44:00.000-05:00Yeah, as Ilargi has demanded from afar, let's just...Yeah, as Ilargi has demanded from afar, let's just drop the topic. As someone who recently completed a 10 day fast, I learned restraint. I no longer eat or read road kill.<BR/><BR/>Hey kerrysl, have you heard that our president-elect was actually born in Kenya, his Hawaii birth certificate is a forgery, and his real name is Osama bin Obama?el gallinazohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00642036843036726232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-12440050640622354212008-12-09T14:22:00.000-05:002008-12-09T14:22:00.000-05:00Again, I suggest that we all stop wasting our time...Again, I suggest that we all stop wasting our time with a topic that has been handled very well already on this <A HREF="http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/about.php" REL="nofollow">how to deal with a denialist</A> website.<BR/><BR/>Note that everything is so predictable in the discussion, and that all attempts to reason are a total waste of time.<BR/><BR/>"Denialist says something wacky...<BR/>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-58600192417327791792008-12-09T14:05:00.000-05:002008-12-09T14:05:00.000-05:00Well, I for one knew that jal's comment about ...Well, I for one knew that jal's comment about LOL & free thinkers was said with enjoyment of the responses. And it's nice to know that I am not the only one who laughs at my own attempted humor :-)<BR/><BR/>Kluane - Thank you<BR/><BR/>Point of internet etiquette? Can one have trolls on blog comments or is the term restricted to news groups?el gallinazohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00642036843036726232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-24191770016561874742008-12-09T12:47:00.000-05:002008-12-09T12:47:00.000-05:00So back to the 1000 year depression...I agree that...So back to the 1000 year depression...<BR/><BR/>I agree that the situation we're seeing now can be seen more as the fall of an empire than a measly depression.<BR/><BR/>However...<BR/><BR/>As a historian and anthropologist, I don't think the time scale will be the same. As technology and communication improve, historical cycles speed up. Imagine the rise and fall of empires like Babylon, PersiaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-48257945332109548482008-12-09T12:37:00.000-05:002008-12-09T12:37:00.000-05:00Jal, here is where I picked up my perception of yo...Jal, here is where I picked up my perception of your meaning... you wrote prior:<BR/><BR/>There are lots of “free” thinkers reading this blog.<BR/>There are scenarios being proposed of what could happen if ??? but there are no proposed long term solutions.<BR/>There is one solution to all the problems that have been raised that none of those “free” thinkers have spent time evaluation. Here it is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-45131374289441483752008-12-09T12:13:00.000-05:002008-12-09T12:13:00.000-05:00cheryl, Was that a car review? Holy moly - you ...cheryl,<BR/> Was that a car review? Holy moly - you know the popular mood is sinking when a car reviewer spends more time dwelling in the doom and gloom section than actually writing about on his purported topic.EBrownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02894676347259218501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-43249931583319167672008-12-09T12:05:00.001-05:002008-12-09T12:05:00.001-05:00http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/driving/jeremy_cl...http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/driving/jeremy_clarkson/article5292547.eceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-64450923101436687332008-12-09T12:05:00.000-05:002008-12-09T12:05:00.000-05:00Greenpa said...And I've got this project where we'...Greenpa said...<BR/><BR/><B>And I've got this project where we're inserting blue-green algae into chicken embryos, to convert feathers into nitrogen-fixing photovoltaic panels. We expect to have our prototypes working in about 5 years.</B><BR/><BR/>What a loser. We’ve already licensed our technology to an undisclosed Andean firm for use with condors. We had a deal with a firm based in a country goritsashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09767556060065779629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-90940246079778295202008-12-09T11:59:00.000-05:002008-12-09T11:59:00.000-05:00Tuttavia, essa si scioglie.Tuttavia, essa si scioglie.The Lizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12044779666881689690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-66460297016586292782008-12-09T11:49:00.000-05:002008-12-09T11:49:00.000-05:00jal: "WOW!! This is the biggest misscommunication ...jal: "WOW!! This is the biggest misscommunication that I've ever done."<BR/><BR/>Jeez, kid, you need to get out more! :-)<BR/><BR/>And I've got this project where we're inserting blue-green algae into chicken embryos, to convert feathers into nitrogen-fixing photovoltaic panels. We expect to have our prototypes working in about 5 years.Greenpahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17224906349154302210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-82197081595988851472008-12-09T11:38:00.000-05:002008-12-09T11:38:00.000-05:00Wild Gypsy said...You could make a judgment about ...Wild Gypsy said...<BR/><BR/><B>You could make a judgment about people who don't think or act the way you do, if you like. That's where the "free" comes into the thinking.</B><BR/><BR/>Or, just maybe, the “free” comes into the thinking as “unbounded,” “not limited by preconceptions,” “beyond the contemporary,” or…<BR/><BR/>Hey choose a perspective by all means, but, just for a change, choose one goritsashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09767556060065779629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-76687945928331603752008-12-09T11:19:00.000-05:002008-12-09T11:19:00.000-05:00Quote Wild GypsyWith all due to respect and proba...Quote Wild Gypsy<BR/>With all due to respect and probable throat-clearing, it is my experience that derision has never been an effective method of promoting creativity. In fact, for many people, criticism and competition cause the exact opposite to occur. <BR/><BR/>You could make a judgment about people who don't think or act the way you do, if you like. That's where the "free" comes into the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-40146960234372254812008-12-09T11:13:00.000-05:002008-12-09T11:13:00.000-05:00ogarener, as for the Cdn political situation I hav...ogarener, as for the Cdn political situation I have clarity which is there is no party in Ottawa that can fix the economic crisis. Each will continue the well worn path of feeding our money to the banks, will create jobs in dying industries. I have been very active politically all my life. No more. I'm busy preparing...I like the word, " emergence" that I encountered in Kunstler's writing. scandiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07924260428840006237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-18992670329283268382008-12-09T11:11:00.000-05:002008-12-09T11:11:00.000-05:00Wild Gypsy: "it is my experience that derision has...Wild Gypsy: "it is my experience that derision has never been an effective method of promoting creativity."<BR/><BR/>Generally true. But what do you do about the totally delusional, who are completely fact-proof? My favorite example is the small-town mechanic who pushed, for over a year, the brilliant idea that electric cars could be recharged for free if you just put a wind generator on each Greenpahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17224906349154302210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-29166910187094601562008-12-09T10:56:00.000-05:002008-12-09T10:56:00.000-05:00RoccmanHanson in the piece also said:"I doubt that...Roccman<BR/><BR/>Hanson in the piece also said:<BR/>"I doubt that more than a few hundred people worldwide (perhaps far less) would be able to really understand the issues I raise in this paper."<BR/>Perhaps ol' Jay got too far down the rabbit hole there?<BR/><BR/>Team10tim said:<BR/>"having deeply held beliefs that were resistant to arguments and facts"<BR/>- a common condition I would say<BR/>"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-3184686254031101662008-12-09T10:35:00.000-05:002008-12-09T10:35:00.000-05:00LOLLots of "free" thinkers on this blog.jalWith al...<I>LOL<BR/>Lots of "free" thinkers on this blog.<BR/>jal</I><BR/><BR/>With all due to respect and probable throat-clearing, it is my experience that derision has never been an effective method of promoting creativity. In fact, for many people, criticism and competition cause the exact opposite to occur. <BR/><BR/>You could make a judgment about people who don't think or act the way you do, if Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-89794842402337133782008-12-09T10:30:00.000-05:002008-12-09T10:30:00.000-05:00Taking a more Zen approach to the situation seems ...Taking a more Zen approach to the situation seems to help. Positioning yourself to minimize your pain down the road is good, and by all means keep fighting the good fight, but you also have to prepare emotionally. I’m trying to let go of the fear and dread, of the frustration of not being able to convince loved ones to do the same… I’m a lot closer now than I was a year ago, thanks in no smallAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-70940676078444179662008-12-09T10:26:00.000-05:002008-12-09T10:26:00.000-05:00GliderguiderYes, the universe is a lot more quantu...Gliderguider<BR/><BR/>Yes, the universe is a lot more quantum than most people think and 90% of our reality is projected outward. (Well, most people think that collapsing the Psi function is sitting on a whoppee cushion.) The paradox between "positivism" and reality is only apparent. It is how one reacts to "reality" which determines whether one is "positive" or not. Skewing reality to appearel gallinazohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00642036843036726232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-72908692035859613612008-12-09T10:09:00.000-05:002008-12-09T10:09:00.000-05:00el gallinazo:I find myself in a similar uncomforta...el gallinazo:<BR/><BR/>I find myself in a similar uncomfortable situation. One of the things that got me past my morbid multi-year dread of the onrushing reality train was my involvement with a local "personal transformation" group. These are wonderful people and I love them all dearly, but I find myself biting my tongue when topics of positive thinking are raised. There's a common belief thatPaul Chefurkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16890408782984166334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-36463787369603672822008-12-09T09:45:00.000-05:002008-12-09T09:45:00.000-05:00TampaSteve"Regarding the above, I think you’ve hit...TampaSteve<BR/><BR/>"Regarding the above, I think you’ve hit on the cogitative dissonance of the general public that we’ve all been frustrated by at one point or another."<BR/><BR/>My nexus of friends on this island are very progressive and also involved in "new age" holistic attitudes. They are very concerned about me, thinking that my "doomer" talk is a sign of clinical depression. There is ael gallinazohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00642036843036726232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-74485845568630277532008-12-09T09:13:00.000-05:002008-12-09T09:13:00.000-05:00Great to see you posting here Glider Guider - a wa...Great to see you posting here Glider Guider - a warm welcome :)Stoneleighhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15099878430757036461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-28970090926986258132008-12-09T08:51:00.000-05:002008-12-09T08:51:00.000-05:00Re: the comments on tv coverage.By far the best, I...Re: the comments on tv coverage.<BR/><BR/>By far the best, I believe is Bloomberg's Hong Kong anchor, <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Lo" REL="nofollow">Bernard Lo</A>.<BR/><BR/>He seems to understand all the financial and energy problems and it wouldn't surprise me if he reads TOD and TAE<BR/><BR/>I believe he's on at 7pm Eastern in the US and then again at midnight. International Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-44926225897033589972008-12-09T08:50:00.000-05:002008-12-09T08:50:00.000-05:00Hi Goritsas,Thank you for the time and effort that...Hi Goritsas,<BR/>Thank you for the time and effort that you obviously put into your post. I take your point about fluorocarbons. It is a very good counter-argument. <BR/><BR/>I also appreciate that you say <I>If human activity <B>could </B>have affected the ozone layer it’s reasonable to assume that human activity <B>could </B>also affect other “global” processes.</I><BR/><BR/>I agree on both Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10318309864441672787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4921988708619968880.post-48017868468702137202008-12-09T08:48:00.000-05:002008-12-09T08:48:00.000-05:00"It's also quite easy to figure out where we are -..."It's also quite easy to figure out where we are -- the shape of our current predicament -- so long as one is willing to embrace a certain number of 'Oh shit!' realizations, and accept the abandonment of certain hopes."<BR/><BR/>GliderGuider - Thanks for the topic yesterday; you did an excellent job expanding on the idea of the need of more “big picture” thinking in all of this…<BR/><BR/>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com