Thursday, August 6, 2009

August 6 2009: Another underwater continent


William Henry Jackson Do the Locomotion 1890
Mexican Central Railway train at station


Ilargi: Last week, James Lockhart, as head of the FHFA, the regulator of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as well as the FHA, announced that Fannie and Freddie‘s losses, totaling $86.9 billion and $63.7 billion, respectively, since the third quarter of 2007, will continue for “at least the next year or so”. Lockhart also said at the time that "some" of the money pumped in to Fannie and Freddie will never be repaid.

Today, Lockhart announced he is leaving his post imminently, shortly after Moody’s stated its belief that Fannie and Freddie will be dismantled by Washington. Coincidentally, sometime in the next ten days, Fannie and Freddie will present their second-quarter results.

Lockhart officially leaves because he is a republican, even a former W classmate, and wants time with his family; he did say, though, that he made so little money in government that he doesn’t have enough to retire yet.

My take on his reason to leave is just a tad more cynical than the spending time with the wife and pets one. I think Lockhart leaves because he has loaded up Fannie and Freddie, and through them the taxpayer, with all the debt he could possible cram into them.

Lockhart is one of the least known, yet most harmful Americans (oh, sweet combination... ) in recent history. He was brought in in 2006 at the OFHEO to facilitate and accelerate Fannie and Freddie's virtually limitless purchases of bad loans from Wall Street, and he leaves heading the FHFA, as no more toxics can be bought with your money without Lockhart and many others risking substantial prison terms.

Moreover, I think the forthcoming 2nd, 3rd and 4th quarter company results will be so bad that unwinding the two, a process that will take many years and be at least as profitable for Wall Street as the estimated $1 billion AIG unwind, is now inevitable.

Interestingly, Moody’s claims that, even though it has no idea what direction Washington wants to take Fannie and Freddie in, maybe a new company (?), either private or public (?), it does know that all bondholders will be made whole. So it should come as no surprise that stocks in Fannie and Freddie as well as AIG (63%!) soared today. The wager of course is that you can't lose on the shares, since any downside will be made up with public funds.

I would also wager that the suddenly appearing simultaneous reports on the demise of Fannie, Freddie and AIG are no coincidence. I think they are as much non-denial-like semi-prepared statements as the second stimulus and the rising tax rates are that we've seen on Sunday morning shows.

The reason lies in a report issued by Deutsche Bank analysts today, which says they expect half of all US mortgages to be underwater by 2011, with 89% of Option-ARM loans in that category (why does that make me think of an iceberg?). Fannie and Freddie hold about half of all US mortgages, with probably a substantially higher percentage of the “bad" ones, for a total portfolio between $5 and $6 trillion.

And that may not even be their biggest risk factor. They have issued mountains of securities based on those rancid loans, and that might be far more of a dealbreaker. Though we are obviously not allowed to know what lies in their vaults any more than what lies in Wall Street banks’ coffers.

As I've repeated till you must have gotten bored mindless -please Lockhart, never return!-, Fannie and Freddie should have been deconstructed ages ago. Which makes the fact that they now -obviously suddenly- will be all the more interesting. There's only one reason I can see to do so at this point of time: Washington has seen the upcoming loss estimates, and the entire Oval Office, including the wallpaper, went a whiter shade of pale.

If there are still people out there who believe there is a recovery underway, I strongly suggest you ponder why the administration chooses now, early August, to leak news on the unfortunate and "much too young" parting of the three semi-private corporations that have stuck the taxpayer with far more losses than all the rest of them combined. If that recovery thing were real, do you think that would happen? I think not. I think Fannie and Freddie have been such a great vehicle for transferring losses to the public that Wall Street will be crying real tears at their graves.

I think today marks a turning point in the financial crisis. A large part of the make-believe has -reluctantly- been let go. Not that no replacements have been set up, but it's hard to rival the real deal. Let's see how things play out through the rest of the month to see how accurate my antennas are.








About half of U.S. mortgages seen underwater by 2011
The percentage of U.S. homeowners who owe more than their house is worth will nearly double to 48 percent in 2011 from 26 percent at the end of March, portending another blow to the housing market, Deutsche Bank said on Wednesday. Home price declines will have their biggest impact on prime "conforming" loans that meet underwriting and size guidelines of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the bank said in a report. Prime conforming loans make up two-thirds of mortgages, and are typically less risky because of stringent requirements.

"We project the next phase of the housing decline will have a far greater impact on prime borrowers," Deutsche analysts Karen Weaver and Ying Shen said in the report. Of prime conforming loans, 41 percent will be "underwater" by the first quarter of 2011, up from 16 percent at the end of the first quarter 2009, it said. Forty-six percent of prime jumbo loans will be larger than their properties' value, up from 29 percent, it said. "The impact of this is significant given that these markets have the largest share of the total mortgage market outstanding," the analysts said. Prime jumbo loans make up 13 percent of the total market.

Deutsche's dire assessment comes amid a bolt of evidence in recent months that point to stabilization in the U.S. housing market after three years of price drops. This week, the National Association of Realtors said pending home sales rose for a fifth straight month in June. A widely watched index released in July showed home prices in May rose for the first time since 2006. Covering 100 U.S. metropolitan areas, Deutsche Bank in June forecast home prices would fall 14 percent through the first quarter of 2011, for a total drop of 41.7 percent.

The drop in home prices is fueling a vicious cycle of foreclosures as it eliminates homeowner equity and gives borrowers an incentive to walk away from their mortgages. The more severe the negative equity, the more likely are defaults, since many borrowers believe prices will not recover enough. Homeowners with the riskiest mortgages taken out during the housing boom have seen the greatest erosion in equity, in part because they were "affordability products" originated at the housing peak, Deutsche said. They include subprime loans, of which 69 percent will be underwater in 2011, up from 50 percent in March, Deutsche said,

Of option adjustable-rate mortgages -- which cut payments by allowing principal balances to rise -- 89 percent will be underwater in 2011, up from 77 percent, the report said. Regions suffering the worst negative equity are areas in California, Florida, Arizona, Nevada, Ohio, Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin, Massachusetts and West Virginia. Las Vegas and parts of Florida and California will see 90 percent or more of their loans underwater by 2011, it added. "For many, the home has morphed from piggy bank to albatross," the analysts said.




More Homeowners ‘Upside Down’ on Mortgages
Home price declines may be luring more home buyers back to the market, but they’re also leaving more American homeowners with negative equity. Some 24% of owner-occupied homes had mortgage debt that exceeded the values of those homes at the end of June, according to data from Equifax and Moody’s Economy.com. That number rises to 32% when looking at the share of homeowners with mortgages that don’t have equity left in their homes.

Overall, 16 million homeowners are “upside-down” on their mortgages, up from 10 million, or 15% of owner-occupied homes, one year ago. Nearly 10% of owner-occupied homes now have mortgage debt with loan-to-value ratios of at least 125%, and roughly half of those homes have mortgage debt with loan-to-value ratios of 150% or more. The rising share of homeowners without equity and the foreclosure crisis continues to be the biggest storm cloud facing any possible economic recovery, says Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Economy.com. “That such a high proportion of homeowners are underwater is testimony to the severity of the foreclosure crisis and the risk that it still poses to the broader economy,” he said.

To date, most foreclosure-rescue efforts have focused on lowering monthly payments by reducing interest rates, in part because the housing crisis began with mortgages that were resetting to higher payments. But the looming negative-equity problem could put more pressure on policymakers to come up with a modification plan that includes reducing loan balances, and not just lowering interest rates. “The modification plans that they have in place … will become increasingly ineffective as more homeowners fall deeply underwater,” says Mr. Zandi. Unsurprisingly, the negative equity issue remains most severe in the sand states. Some 40% of owner-occupied homes in Nevada are underwater, followed by Arizona (37%), California (33%), and Colorado (31%).




Just 9% of eligible homeowners have had mortgage modified
Some of the nation's largest servicers are making minor progress in reworking home mortgages into more affordable monthly payments for financially strapped homeowners. In total, just 9% of eligible homeowners who are delinquent have gotten a trial mortgage modification under a federal program, according to a report Tuesday by the Treasury Department. The report lists the modification progress of major lenders since the Obama administration first announced a $75 billion housing recovery plan in March.

"We have been disappointed …about the variation in service performance in helping people in a timely fashion and with the respect they deserve," says Michael Barr, Treasury's assistant secretary for financial institutions. "We're going to be requiring ramped up efforts across the board." Among major lenders, Bank of America trails other servicers in the number of mortgage modifications it has made: It has modified only 4% of the eligible mortgages in its portfolio that are 60 or more days delinquent.

In the lead is JPMorgan Chase, which has begun trial modifications for 20% of eligible homeowners. Wells Fargo has started modifications for 6% of eligible mortgage holders. Several smaller companies — including American Home Mortgage Servicing and PNC Financial Services Group — have yet to modify a single loan, according to the report. American Home Mortgage Servicing just started the program on July 22, a spokesman said. PNC, which owns National City, was up and running in early July. "National City is working with qualified customers to make mortgage modifications available. There are loan modifications in the process," said PNC spokesman Fred Soloman.

So far, about 235,000 trial modifications have begun. If the trial modifications work successfully for three months, they then go into full effect. During a meeting last month with representatives from 25 major servicers, the government announced its goal reaching 500,000 trial mortgage modifications by Nov. 1. Under the program, servicers covering more than 85% of loans in the USA are participating in the plan to modifying loans. More than 400,000 modification offers have been extended. While Treasury officials say the pace of modifications puts the program on track to offer assistance to up to 3 million to 4 million homeowners over the next three years, Barr says some servicers need to take steps such as ramping up capacity or treating borrowers better when they contact lender call centers.

Some lenders defended their progress, say they're making modifications at a fast clip and that their overall delinquency rates are low. Wells Fargo said in a statement that through the first seven months of this year they modified more than 240,000 mortgage loans, including 20,219 trial modification starts under the federal program. They say they've hired and trained 4,000 staffers in the first half of the year for a total of 11,500 U.S.-based staff. The company also says that within weeks it will eliminate its customer service backlog.




Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Likely to Be Wound Down, Moody’s Says
The U.S. government is likely to decide within 18 months that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac need to be wound down and replaced with a similar entity that would support U.S. housing, Moody’s Investors Service said. The government-chartered mortgage-finance companies, which were seized by regulators in September 2008 and since have used $85.7 billion of their capital lifelines, face mounting losses that will mean “it could take a decade or longer” before they are able to emerge from U.S. control as “viable standalone entities,” the New York-based ratings company said in a report.

The increasing losses that will be caused in part by government efforts to use Washington-based Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac of McLean, Virginia as tools to stem the housing slump, as well as the probability it will be “politically untenable to resurrect” the firms, mean the U.S. will likely create a new organization that won’t be owned by shareholders to play a similar role in the economy, Moody’s said. “This is not bad news for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac bondholders as the U.S. government has become entwined with these companies and the creation of a new entity to support housing finance likely means the orderly conclusion of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac,” Brian L. Harris, Craig A. Emrick and Robert Young, Moody’s analysts, wrote in the report yesterday.

Moody’s rates the companies’ senior debt Aaa because of their “very strong” government support, the report said. The companies can tap up to $200 billion of taxpayer capital, and can turn to an emergency financing facility at the U.S. Treasury through at least yearend. The Federal Reserve is buying as much as $1.45 trillion of the debt and mortgage securities through yearend in an effort to lower home-financing costs. The companies own or guarantee about $5.3 trillion of the $12 trillion in U.S. residential mortgage debt. A Treasury report in June said the Obama administration “will engage in a wide-ranging process and seek public input to explore options regarding the future” of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and will deliver a report to Congress when the president gives his fiscal 2011 budget in February.




Fannie and Freddie’s uncertain future
The future of those historic linchpins of the US housing market, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, is looking increasingly uncertain. Consider these two separate - though perhaps not unrelated - pieces of news. On Monday, analysts at Moody’s said they expected the US government to decide within the next 18 months whether to wind down the government sponsored entities as losses mount. From the report, emphasis ours:
Moody’s believes that there is an increasing likelihood that a new organization will be created to replace Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac for two reasons. First, as losses continue to mount, it will become clearer that it could take a decade or more of government ownership before Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are viable stand-alone entities. Second, it will be politically untenable to resurrect these companies as a long-term solution to the mortgage market even with changes to their organizational structure and regulation. These companies have always been lightening rods for criticism and their continued existence would likely increase the resistance. So, in all likelihood a new organization, with a role similar to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac though with a different organizational structure (i.e., not shareholder owned) will result

In the interim, Moody’s said, Fannie and Freddie’s profitability outlook “is bleak in the near to intermediate term”:
Since the third quarter of 2007, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have reported 7 straight quarterly losses totaling $86.9 billion and $63.7 billion, respectively. The primary drivers of the companies’ net losses were elevated provisions for loan losses, as well as mark-to-market losses on their securities portfolios and derivatives. The profitability outlook reflects the U.S. Government using these companies as instruments of public policy rather than profit maximization. Examples of their use in promoting public policy include the reduction of previously announced fee increases, as well as aggressive modification and re-financing programs. A recently announced program will allow refinancing of mortgages with loan-to-values of up to 125%. These programs are likely to extend the period of losses and the elevated levels of provisions at the companies

Second, and perhaps more importantly, various newswires on Wednesday reported James Lockhart, the regulator for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, would be stepping down “very soon.”>

Here’s Reuters, which cited an administration official:

…no decision has been made about who might be a suitable long-term replacement, nor what role that person would have in shaping housing policy.
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When asked by Reuters in an interview if he is leaving soon, Lockhart would not comment on any move but said he was proud of his work as a regulator and was looking forward to returning to private life.
>Two strikes, or three if you count that epic weekend rescue last September.




FHFA’s Lockhart Plans to Leave Agency This Month
Federal Housing Finance Agency Director James Lockhart, who oversaw last year’s federal takeover of mortgage-finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, said he plans to leave the agency later this month.
“The timing is appropriate,” Lockhart said in an interview today. Freddie Mac hired a new chief executive last month, and the housing market is showing some signs of recovery, the regulator said. President Barack Obama’s administration doesn’t have a candidate lined up to replace Lockhart, said a Treasury official who asked not to be identified. The role Lockhart’s successor will have in shaping housing policy hasn’t been decided, the official said.

Lockhart’s departure isn’t likely to shift direction of the FHFA because he has “already been quite accommodative to Obama,” said Mark Calabria, director of financial regulation studies at the Cato Institute, a Washington policy research organization. “He’s fully supported the Obama administration’s plan to use Fannie and Freddie for broader efforts beyond safety and soundness.” The companies’ shares surged today. Fannie Mae rose 30 percent to 74 cents, and Freddie Mac climbed 31 percent to 80 cents at 4:15 p.m. in New York Stock Exchange composite trading. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner “would have preferred I stayed,” said Lockhart, 63, a lifelong Republican who previously said he intended to resign soon after Democrats took control of the White House.

“It became very apparent to me in January that we were still in the storm, it made no sense to leave at that point,” Lockhart said. He said he has been discussing with Geithner the timing of his resignation over the last three months. Former President George W. Bush, a high school and college friend, appointed Lockhart to run the agency in 2006. Lockhart, who joined the Bush administration in 2002, said he plans to return to business. “It’s hard to retire on the money I’ve made over the last 7 1/2 years,” said Lockhart, who commutes from his home in Greenwich, Connecticut. “It’s time to get back there.”

During Lockhart’s tenure, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which buy mortgages from lenders, posted $150 billion in combined losses as the housing market plummeted, leading to their takeover by the government in September. They have received $84.9 billion in federal aid since November, which Lockhart said last month they won’t be able to repay in full. Treasury has committed as much as $400 billion to keep the two from going bankrupt while policymakers figure out how to restructure their operations.

The Obama administration has been using Washington-based Fannie Mae and McLean, Virginia-based Freddie Mac in its efforts to revive the housing market and avert foreclosures. The administration and Congress are also considering restructuring the government-sponsored enterprises, possibly as public utilities, or liquidating their assets. The companies together account for about $5.4 trillion of the $12 trillion U.S. home loan market. Under Lockhart’s tenure, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac expanded their business into riskier types of mortgages, such as subprime and Alt-A loans, which he has called the main catalyst for their losses. Alt-A loans are also called “liar loans” because they required little or no documentation of income.

“Every board meeting we had with the two boards we talked about the credit risk in their portfolios, and it was a hard slog convincing the companies and the market overall that there could be a problem,” Lockhart said. In March 2008, six months before the companies were placed in conservatorship, Lockhart lowered their capital requirements and lifted restrictions on their portfolio growth. Lockhart publicly described the two as “adequately capitalized” weeks before Treasury and FHFA seized their operations amid fears the two may fail.

“Everybody that was involved in the mortgage markets regrets that we didn’t see how bad things were going to get,” Lockhart said today. “The good news is we did cap their portfolios” in 2006, which prevented the companies from expanding further into riskier loan products, he said. Fannie Mae was created in the 1930s under President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s New Deal to revive the economy. Freddie Mac was started in 1970. The companies were designed primarily to lower the cost of home ownership by buying mortgages from lenders, freeing up cash at banks to make more loans. They make money by financing mortgage-asset purchases with low-cost debt and on guarantees of home-loan securities they create out of loans from lenders.

A Treasury report in June said the Obama administration “will engage in a wide-ranging process and seek public input to explore options regarding the future” of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and will deliver a report to Congress when the president gives his fiscal 2011 budget in February. Options considered by lawmakers include winding the companies down and liquidating assets or using Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to provide insurance for covered bonds.

Lockhart was tapped to run FHFA after serving as the deputy commissioner and chief operating officer of the Social Security Administration from 2002 to 2006. He worked for four years before that as the chief financial officers of software consulting firm Netrisk Inc. and for two years as a managing director at Smith Barney. Earlier, Lockhart was executive director of the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp. and was the treasurer of Gulf Oil Corp., which merged with Standard Oil in 1984. He attended prep school, Yale University and Harvard’s business school with Bush.




AIG, Fannie, Freddie: Dire straits, soaring stock
Well, it's official: Some pigs can fly. Or at least they can in that fantasy land known as Wall Street, where the laws of gravity and logic were suspended for the better part of Wednesday afternoon. American International Group Inc., Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac – a trinity of corporate fecklessness, if there ever was one – each posted staggering advances as investors appeared willing to gamble that even the shakiest pillars of the financial system were regaining a measure of strength. That could prove a dangerous bet.

AIG, one of the poster boys for the credit crisis, shot up 63 per cent in heavy trading Wednesday, the result of myriad factors – each depending on a healthy dose of guesswork. One of its competitors, Radian Group, reported good second-quarter financial results, prompting expectations that AIG could unveil a similar surprise when it releases its numbers Friday. Then there was the optimism about the insurer's new chief executive officer (its fourth in little more than a year) along with speculation it was on the verge of selling its aircraft leasing business – one of several units it is auctioning off to help repay its $182.5-billion (U.S.) government loan.

But the most persuasive explanation for AIG's sudden tear was technical: an old-fashioned “short squeeze,” exacerbated by the company's recent stock consolidation, which reduced the number of outstanding shares 20-fold. Shares have suddenly become harder to come by, making it difficult for the short sellers to cover their bets. That led to a raft of buying Wednesday, helping push the stock into an altitude AIG hasn't seen for some time –although it still trades at fraction of its pre-crisis peak.

Several analysts urged caution amid the exuberance, pointing out a couple of obvious caveats: that AIG remains a deeply troubled company, and that assessing any ward of the state is an unpredictable game. Standard & Poor's equity analyst Catherine Seifert noted AIG had negative tangible common equity of $336.62 a share during the first quarter. And just last month, a Citigroup analyst estimated there was a 70-per-cent chance that shareholders would be wiped out after the company made good on its commitments to repay Washington, which now owns 80 per cent of the company.

Dick Bove, a bank analyst with Rochdale Securities, suggested that the surge in AIG's share price could demonstrate an increased tolerance for risk among large investors – particularly in the financial sector. “Money is now pouring into the junk bonds, the high grades, commercial paper and everything financial,” he said. But the case for a Fannie and Freddie rebound looks even more tenuous. The two government-sponsored mortgage companies, like AIG, have been kept alive only by the infusion of tens of billions of dollars worth of emergency taxpayer loans. Since lawmakers moved to rescue them last summer, their shares have sunk to penny-stock status, making them the playthings of speculators.

Wednesday, Fannie gained 30 per cent in New York trading, while Freddie jumped 31 per cent, although both still trade hands well below the $1 mark. Analysts could not find much to explain their sudden moves, other than an unverified report that James Lockhart, the regulator who oversees them, is planning to resign soon. Even for risk-minded investors, that is pretty thin gruel. “Institutions under government conservatorship are speculative bets,” said Michael O'Rourke, chief market strategist at BTIG LLC.




AIG Breakup Is Fee Bonanza
Wall Street banks and lawyers could collect nearly $1 billion in fees from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York and American International Group Inc. to help manage and break apart the insurer, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis. That would represent one of Wall Street's biggest paydays -- four times the fees paid to break up AT&T Corp. in 1996, and nearly double those paid for Visa USA's 2008 initial public offering, the largest U.S. IPO ever. The federal government's bailout of AIG has left it with a nearly 80% ownership stake. The government has a multiyear plan to recoup the more than $100 billion in taxpayer money it put at risk in the rescue.



The plan requires hiring firms to handle public offerings of some AIG units and outright sales of others, to manage some toxic AIG assets, and for other tasks. Among the biggest beneficiaries is Morgan Stanley, which has earned about $10 million assisting the Fed, but could collect as much as $250 million from various AIG-related deals, according to some banking experts and documents released by the New York Fed. Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Bank of America Corp. and J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. have all gotten assignments in recent months to help dismantle AIG.

To calculate the possible fee total, The Wall Street Journal tallied estimated fees for deals already struck and others AIG is planning or considering or may have to pursue in the future. Thomson Reuters and Freeman & Co. provided fee estimates on some deals. Documents from the New York Fed indicate typical fee arrangements for various types of deals under consideration. The Journal used those figures, along with estimates of potential deal sizes, to help calculate the possible total. The actual fees could run higher or lower than $1 billion, depending on which deals AIG pursues, how those deals are structured, market conditions, and how successful the government is at extracting itself from its ownership stake, among other things.

AIG's restructuring could take years, adding another level of uncertainty. The situation puts the government in the potentially uncomfortable position of employing some of the same firms it regulates. In theory, actions the government takes in connection with those firms, for example, could affect how effective the firms are at handling their AIG assignments. "I'm confident we can separate the two" issues, said a spokesman for the Treasury.

AIG shares surged 63% to close at $22 on Wednesday in New York Stock Exchange trading, ahead of its second-quarter earnings report on Friday. AIG is planning two IPOs of multibillion-dollar insurance subsidiaries, is weighing a third, and is steadily selling off small units with the assistance of investment banks. The fee pool for all three IPOs could reach $570 million, documents released by the New York Fed indicate. AIG and the New York Fed, which helps oversee the government's ownership stake in AIG, are paying BlackRock Inc. to manage more than $35 billion of the insurer's toxic assets.

AIG is preparing to offer investors shares in a major Asian life insurance unit, American International Assurance Co., early next year. That initial public offering could raise more than $5 billion. Morgan Stanley and Deutsche Bank have been hired as lead underwriters. Each bank could pocket nearly $45 million in fees, according to documents released by the New York Fed. Accounting firm Ernst & Young has a New York Fed contract that could pay $10 million to $60 million, according to documents released by the New York Fed. Law firm Davis Polk & Wardwell LLP, which was brought into AIG at the peak of its crisis last September, is charging up to $950 per hour for partners' time. That reflects a 10% discount, which "is not a common practice," says Marshall Huebner, Davis Polk's lead attorney on the matter.

Goldman was part of a group of banks that helped AIG raise $1.14 billion this year by selling a large stake in a reinsurance company. The group of banks shared an estimated $39.7 million in fees, according to Thomson Reuters and Freeman & Co. Bank of America advised AIG on the recent sales of its car-insurance unit and a Tokyo building. Those deals generated $5.5 million and $1.9 million in fees, respectively, for the bank and others, according Thomson Reuters and Freeman & Co. Blackstone Group, which has been advising AIG since last fall, has already brought in around $50 million, according to a person familiar with the matter.

Morgan Stanley's work for the government dates back to last summer, when then-Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson called Morgan Stanley Chief Executive Officer John Mack to ask if Morgan would help the U.S. government's effort to shore up Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Soon after those companies were put under government control in September, the New York Fed called Morgan Stanley to start working on the growing problems at AIG. In October, the New York Fed and Morgan Stanley agreed that the investment bank would get an "advisory fee" of $4 million, and another $2.5 million each quarter, for its AIG work. In addition, Morgan Stanley would collect a separate "transaction fee" -- potentially up to tens of millions of dollars, according to New York Fed documents -- when AIG closed deals to sell units.

In recent months, AIG has begun preparing for possible initial public stock offerings for American International Assurance and another foreign life insurance unit, American Life Insurance Co. In June, the New York Fed and Morgan Stanley revised their pact to help ensure that Morgan Stanley would get some of that work, too. (AIG has also held preliminary talks with rival insurer MetLife Inc. about a possible deal for all or part of American Life Insurance, which would reduce underwriting fees.)

After any IPOs, AIG may need to sell more of the remaining stakes in those units in order to repay the government. Such transactions could generate tens of millions of dollars in additional fees. Roughly $75 million in fees has been paid for asset sales AIG has already completed, according to estimates by Thomson Reuters and Freeman. Separately, BlackRock's contracts call for it to get a minimum of $50.5 million and a maximum of $142.5 million, if the job managing toxic assets lasts three to five years. This work isn't always easy for those involved, said a number of bankers. One gripe: Bankers used to flying business class have to sit in coach when on government business.




American Incomes Head Down, Threatening Recovery in Spending
Household income in the U.S. is weakening as the influence of the government’s stimulus plan wanes, prompting economists, Federal Reserve officials and a Nobel laureate to warn that consumer spending may struggle. “Consumers have started to change their behavior and they are going to save more,” said Richard Berner, co-head of global economics at Morgan Stanley in New York and a former researcher at the Fed. “You have pressure on wages, you have employment still declining.”

Wages and salaries, which drive recoveries in spending, fell 4.7 percent in the 12 months through June, the biggest drop since records began in 1960, according to Commerce Department figures released yesterday. The Obama administration’s tax cuts, extended jobless benefits and a one-time Social Security bonus have helped mask the damage done by the worst employment slump since the Great Depression. Personal incomes, which include interest income, dividends, rents and other payments as well as wages, tumbled 1.3 percent in June, more than forecast and the biggest drop in four years, yesterday’s Commerce report showed. Excluding the effects of the stimulus plan, June incomes would have dropped 0.1 percent after no change in May, according to the report. In May, one-time additional payments to Social Security recipients boosted incomes 1.3 percent.

One of every 10 American workers will be without a job by early 2010, economists project, shaking the confidence of those still on payrolls and discouraging spending. It may take as long as 15 years for consumers to fully repair finances battered by the decline in home values, stocks and employment, said Edmund Phelps, winner of the Nobel prize in economics in 2006. Decreasing pay is not the only hurdle for consumers. Plunging home prices and stocks reduced household net worth by a record $13.9 trillion from the third quarter of 2007 through this year’s first quarter, according to figures from the Fed.

“Households are going to have to do an awful lot of rebuilding of their wealth,” Phelps, a professor at Columbia University in New York, said this week in an interview on Bloomberg Television. “Even if that rebuilding goes on at a pretty good clip, it will take 12 or 15 years for households to get to the wealth level that they had several years ago. Consumer demand is going to take a long time to rebuild to normal levels.” In the second half, incomes and spending will be hurt by the loss of transitory factors such as lower fuel prices, decreased tax rates and the one-time payment to retirees, William Dudley, president of the Fed Bank of New York, said in a speech last week.

“Consumer spending is unlikely to rise much faster than income” because of the need to boost savings, he said. “Weak income growth will be an effective constraint on the pace of consumer spending.” Companies continue to trim expenses, threatening further cuts in pay and benefits. Tenneco Inc., the world’s largest maker of vehicle-exhaust systems, temporarily lowered pay and hours worked to reduce labor costs by 10 percent. Earlier this year, the Lake Forest, Illinois-based company suspended contributions to employees’ 401(k) retirement accounts and cut pay for the top 50 executives.

Government assistance such as the “cash-for-clunkers” program will help postpone the inevitable increase in savings and slowdown in spending as more baby boomers approach retirement, said David Rosenberg, chief economist at Gluskin Sheff & Associates Inc. in Toronto. “Spending is in desperate need of gimmicks like cash-for- clunkers in order to grow on a short-term basis,” he said.

The program, which offers as much as $4,500 for trading in older, less fuel-efficient cars, ran through its $1 billion fund in about a week, and Congress is considering adding $2 billion. Auto industry data this week showed sales jumped to an 11.3 million annual pace last month, the highest level since September. Mounting joblessness is among reasons that economists such as Rosenberg say will prompt Americans to save more. Unemployment, already at a 26-year high of 9.5 percent in June, may top 10 percent by early next year, according to the median estimate of economists surveyed by Bloomberg last month.

Economists estimate that a Labor Department report at the end of the week will show employers cut an additional 328,000 workers from payrolls in July. That would bring the total loss of jobs since the recession began in December 2007 to 6.8 million. The savings rate in June fell to 4.6 percent as incomes dropped, yesterday’s Commerce Department report showed. The rate, which reached a 14-year high of 6.2 percent the previous month, is likely to keep climbing, Rosenberg said. A rate as high as 15 percent can’t be ruled out, he said. “This is a different consumer than we had in the past 20 years,” Rosenberg said. “People are going to increasingly be putting more money into cookie jars, rather than into buying more cookie jars.”




U.S. Stocks Retreat on Worse-Than-Estimated Jobs, Services Data
U.S. stocks fell, dragging the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index down from a nine-month high, after reports on job losses and service industries were worse than economists estimated. Procter & Gamble Co. slid 2.8 percent after profit fell on lower sales of higher-priced skin-care products and detergents. Electronic Arts Inc. sank 6.8 percent after reporting a quarterly loss. Declines were limited as financial shares rallied after mortgage insurer Radian Group Inc. posted better- than-estimated results and commodity producers gained as copper and aluminum rose to the highest prices in at least nine months.

The S&P 500 declined for the first time in five days, slipping 0.3 percent to 1,002.72 at 4:07 p.m. in New York. The gauge climbed yesterday to 0.1 point below its close on Nov. 4, the day President Barack Obama was elected. The Dow Jones Industrial Average fell 39.22 points, or 0.4 percent, to 9,280.97. “Data is less bad, but it’s still going to be weak,” said Tim Hartzell, who manages $300 million as chief investment officer for Houston-based Sequent Asset Management. “The talk is all about the smaller companies that are now into that next phase of downsizing. That’s what we have to go through. There’s going to be some smaller and midsize companies that have to go out of business to reduce capacity.”

Yesterday’s advance pushed the valuation of the S&P 500 to about 17.5 times its companies’ earnings over the past 12 months, the most expensive since May 2008, according to daily data compiled by Bloomberg. Since reaching a 12-year low of 676.53 on March 9, the S&P 500 has rebounded 48 percent, the steepest rally over the same number of days since the Great Depression. The S&P 500’s 14-day relative strength index, a measure of momentum, rose to almost 76 yesterday for its highest level since October 2006. An RSI above 70 is typically a sell signal to technical analysts.

Benchmark indexes opened lower after data from ADP Employer Services showed companies cut 371,000 workers from payrolls in July, more than the average estimate of 350,000 in a Bloomberg survey of economists. The figures from the world’s largest payroll processor have shown declines in employment since February 2008. The number of lost jobs has dropped each month since April and fell in July from 463,000 in June. “I don’t think the lessening of the recession will carry weight much longer,” said Ron Kiddoo, who oversees $500 million as chief investment officer for Cozad Asset Management Inc., based in Champaign, Illinois. “It helped for the past few months, but it’s not going help forever.”




Private Job Losses Slow, ADP Report Suggests
The pace of layoffs may be easing. Private-sector jobs in the U.S. fell 371,000 in July, according to a national employment report published Wednesday by payroll giant Automatic Data Processing Inc. and consultancy Macroeconomic Advisers. The expected loss was about on par with the 350,000 drop in the ADP survey projected by economists in a Dow Jones Newswires survey. The ADP survey tallies only private-sector jobs, while the Bureau of Labor Statistics' nonfarm payroll data, to be released Friday, includes government workers. Economists surveyed by Dow Jones Newswires expect the Bureau of Labor Statistics will report July job cuts totaling only 275,000, about half the loss of 467,000 reported in June. The July unemployment rate is projected to rise to 9.7% from 9.5% in June.

Economists think that economic output may have stopped contracting in the second quarter, but any turnaround in the labor markets is still months away. Joel Prakken, chairman of Macroeconomic Advisers, noted that the decline was the smallest since October 2008, but added, "Despite recent indications that overall economic activity is stabilizing, employment, which usually trails overall economic activity, is likely to decline for at least several more months, albeit at a diminishing rate."

The latest ADP report showed large businesses with 500 employees or more shed 74,000 jobs and medium-size businesses lost 159,000 workers last month. Small businesses that employ fewer than 50 workers cut 138,000 jobs in July. Service-sector jobs fell 202,000 in July, while factory employment dropped 99,000. ADP, of Roseland, N.J., says it processes payments of one in six U.S. workers, while Macroeconomic Advisers, based in St. Louis, is an economic consulting firm.

In another Wednesday job report, TrimTabs Investment Research estimated that job losses accelerated last month, with 488,000 workers laid off in July, worse than the ADP estimate. TrimTabs uses daily income-tax withholdings to the U.S. Treasury to estimate changes in employment. "While Wall Street is convinced the recession is over, the economy continues to shed jobs at an alarming rate," said Charles Biderman, chief executive of TrimTabs. Also on Wednesday, outplacement firm Challenger Gray & Christmas said that the number of layoffs announced by U.S. companies jumped 31% in July to 97,373. Challenger said that so far this year, employers have announced 994,048 job cuts, 72% more than the 579,260 announced in the first seven months of 2008.




Service Industries in U.S. Contracted at Faster Pace in July on Job Losses
U.S. service industries unexpectedly contracted at a faster pace in July as concern over rising unemployment gripped consumers. The Institute for Supply Management’s index of non- manufacturing businesses, which make up almost 90 percent of the economy, fell to 46.4 from 47 in June, according to the Tempe, Arizona-based group. Fifty is the dividing line between expansion and contraction. The report indicates that most of the economy has yet to benefit from government programs, such as the cash-for-clunkers plan, aimed at reviving manufacturing.

The highest jobless rate in a quarter-century, stagnating wages, falling home values and mounting bankruptcies mean consumer spending will be slow to recover. “The consumer is still facing a weak labor market,” said Joshua Shapiro, chief U.S. economist at Maria Fiorini Ramirez Inc., a New York forecasting firm. “There are still plenty of problems out there. To declare everything is fine is premature at this stage.” Economists forecast the index would rise to 48, according to the median of 77 projections in a Bloomberg News survey. Estimates ranged from 44 to 49.3. Other reports today showed the economy lost more jobs last month. Companies cut an estimated 371,000 jobs in July, more than economists had forecast, according to figures from ADP Employer Services.

Stocks dropped after the reports and Treasury securities rose, recovering from earlier losses. The Standard & Poor’s 500 index fell 0.9 percent to 996.28 at 1042 a.m. in New York. The yield on the benchmark 10-year note was 3.66 percent compared with 3.69 percent late yesterday. The ISM non-manufacturing industries employment index fell to 41.5 from 43.4 the prior month, and its gauge of new orders decreased to 48.1 from 48.6. The measure of new export orders slumped to 47.5 from 54.5. The Labor Department’s July jobs report is due Aug. 7. The U.S. has lost 6.5 million jobs since the recession began in December 2007, the biggest decrease of any economic slump since the Great Depression.

Simon Property Group Inc., the biggest U.S. shopping-mall owner, reported a drop in second-quarter earnings excluding items and a decline in revenue as the recession hurt consumer spending. The Indianapolis-based company yesterday cut its forecast for the year. “The economic and retail environments remain difficult,” Chief Executive Officer David Simon said in a conference call. Even companies seeing better times are concerned a recovery will be slow to develop. Wyndham Worldwide Corp., the franchiser of Ramada and Super 8 hotels, reported last week that it beat second-quarter earnings estimates.

“People are taking shorter vacations and staying closer to home,” Chief Executive Officer Stephen Holmes said in an interview with Bloomberg News after the earnings release on July 29. “We see that shift continuing through the rest of the year. We don’t see this as being a quick rebound.” Housing, a component of the ISM non-manufacturing index, is one area showing signs of improvement from its worst slump since the 1930s. Construction of single-family houses jumped in June by the most since 2004, figures from the Commerce Department showed last month. Combined sales of new and existing houses climbed in June for a third consecutive month, reaching the highest since October, figures from Commerce and the National Association of Realtors also showed.




Foreclosure Plan Is Off to a Bumpy Start
A report card released Tuesday by the Treasury Department showed wide variations in how quickly mortgage companies are helping financially troubled borrowers under the Obama administration's foreclosure-prevention plan. So far, more than 400,000 borrowers have been offered help. More than 235,000 borrowers, or roughly 9% of those eligible for the program and at least 60 days past due, have begun trial mortgage modifications, the first step to getting a loan reworked.

Among the largest mortgage-servicing companies, J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. has put the most borrowers on a trial modification, having begun the process for roughly 79,000 of them, or about 20% of those whose loans are at least 60 days past due. Saxon Mortgage Services, a unit of Morgan Stanley, has begun trial modifications for more than 21,000 borrowers, or roughly one-quarter of its delinquent borrowers eligible for the program. Other companies have made less progress. Bank of America Corp. has begun trial modifications for fewer than 28,000 borrowers, or about 4% of those who are delinquent, while Wells Fargo & Co. so far has started with about 6% of such borrowers.

Borrowers can get help under the Obama program if they are delinquent, or current but at risk of imminent default. Mortgage companies are often beginning trial modifications before receiving full income documentation. That suggests some trial modifications will ultimately fail or be reworked. Borrowers must document their income and make payments during the trial period to qualify for a full modification. Administration officials said they were releasing the data in an effort to hold mortgage companies accountable. "While the program has ramped up in an impressive way, there are significant variations among servicers in their performance," said Assistant Treasury Secretary Michael Barr. He said some companies need to boost capacity or improve employee training.

In September, the government will begin requiring mortgage companies to tell borrowers why their modification application was turned down, Mr. Barr said. Some borrowers say they are being denied help under the program even though they fall within its guidelines. The Obama program provides financial incentives to mortgage companies and investors to reduce loan payments to affordable levels. The administration has called on mortgage companies to boost the number of trial loan modifications to 500,000 by Nov. 1. Administration officials have said the program could ultimately help as many as three million to four million homeowners. Anthony Sanders, a real-estate finance professor at George Mason University in Fairfax, Va., said government officials should focus on the success rate for loan workouts, not the number being done.

The administration's figures don't present a full picture of each company's activities. Bank of America said it completed 150,000 loan modifications in the first six months of this year outside the Obama program. Wells Fargo said it completed 240,000 modifications in the first seven months, mostly outside the program. Unlike some companies, Wells Fargo has been requiring certain borrowers to fully document income, slowing the pace of its modifications under the program. Mortgage companies are facing increased pressure to step up the pace. Sanjiv Das, chief executive of Citigroup Inc.'s CitiMortgage unit, said he receives an update at 7:30 each morning on the number of completed modifications. CitiMortgage has begun trial modifications for about 15% of its delinquent borrowers eligible for the Obama program.

Mortgage servicers face substantial challenges. Call volume is running 500% above normal levels, said David Sisko, a director with Deloitte & Touche. Meanwhile, mortgage-servicing companies have boosted staffing by an average of 30% to 40%. Mr. Sisko said employees who evaluate borrowers for loan modifications now are responsible for an average of 200 to 300 loan files, up from 50 to 100 in the third quarter of 2008. J.P. Morgan put its modification program in place last fall and began gearing up for the Obama plan even before final details were announced, said David Lowman, who runs J.P. Morgan's mortgage business. Still, like its competitors, J.P. Morgan had trouble keeping up with customer calls, Mr. Lowman said.

Bank of America, meanwhile, has been slower than some companies to implement some parts of the program, such as help for borrowers who are current on loan payments but still at risk of default. The company is also operating two different loan-modification systems, one for legacy loans and one for mortgages originated by Countrywide Financial Corp., which it acquired last year. The Countrywide operation has gotten up to speed more quickly, a company spokesman said, largely because it had agreed to step up modifications as part of settling a lawsuit brought by state attorneys general regarding Countrywide's lending practices. Bank of America is "very supportive" of the program, said Steve Bailey, the company's mortgage-servicing executive. But "it's difficult to implement," he said.




What 'Better than Expected' Earnings Actually Means
Taking a big picture view of the current earnings environment shows just how much “better than expected” the current earnings have been. The following graph shows the timeline of analysts' Q2 estimate changes. As you can see, the estimates have been slashed by nearly 50%. Could the analysts have gotten it more wrong? And why is anyone now surprised that they were so far off again?

All of this has to make you wonder just how important “better than expected” really is. These numbers are for S&P 500 “operating earnings,” which exclude the allegedly one-time items; GAAP earnings, which can’t be gamed as much, are literally half as much this quarter, the largest divergence ever apart from 4Q08 — 44% below 2Q08 and 68% below 2Q07.





Don't Put Your Money on a US Recovery
by Bill Bonner

The future cometh... Cash for bankers! Cash for Detroit's clunkers! From one scam to the next...

But first, let us turn to the latest market update.The Dow rose again yesterday - up 33 points, to close at 9,320. We set 10,000+ as our objective for this bounce. We'll stick with it for a while longer. Make no mistake though. No one knows how long this rally will last - certainly no one here at The Daily Reckoning vacation headquarters. It will continue until it runs out of gas. That could be tomorrow. It could be months from now. It will run out of gas sooner or later, and probably this fall. A real, durable bull market would require an economic boom - a genuine recovery. We don't see that happening...

But people must think it is happening... "There are signs of a recovery in the US..." was a popular line at last night's cocktail party. Several friends mentioned it. Each time, we had the same reply - we wouldn't bet on it. Yesterday, the price of oil rose; it ended the day at $71. And the dollar stayed where it was - at $1.44 per euro. Investors are betting on recovery - despite our advice. And when the recovery turns out to be a clunker, they'll probably put these trades into reverse. Oil will go down; the dollar will go up. You want to speculate, dear reader? Sell oil...buy the dollar. Wait for another crash this autumn.

Why will there be another crash? Because people believe something that isn't true. People believe that there is a recovery...and that it is the result of stimulus efforts by the feds. The results from the second quarter show the economy still contracting...but at a slower pace, just -1% annually, rather than the -6.4% recorded in the first quarter. This is heralded throughout the world as proof that the crisis is receding. "It if weren't for stimulus spending, the contraction [in the 2nd quarter] would have been closer to 4%," says the editorial in the International Herald Tribune. "The stimulus is helping...and more stimulus would help even more."

Oh? Would it? Let's look at stimulus-in-action: 'Cash for Clunkers' is a hare-brained scheme...but that doesn't make it unpopular. The idea is to stimulate demand by, well, giving people money. But instead of just giving them money and letting them choose what to do with it, the feds decide they need a new car. In order to the get the money, people have to buy one. According to the press reports, the program has been a great success wherever it has been put in place - in France and Germany, as well as in the United States. If so, why not apply the concept elsewhere? How about cash for houses? Cash for liquor? Cash for newspapers? Cash for trips to Europe?

What's so special about autos, in other words? And why is it a good thing for people to buy cars? Oh c'mon, dear reader...don't pretend you don't know. The auto industry is huge...with many lobbyists and many organized groups interested in its wellbeing. It is an old and well-established industry with plenty of political clout. Tomorrow's industries, by contrast, have no lobbyists...no organized labor...no pet congressmen...no political action committees. So who gets the money?

Here's the problem: the meddlers are not only up against tomorrow's industries...they're up against tomorrow itself. It's not as if Americans needed cars. Not at all. They've got plenty of wheels already. Three car households are typical. And they're fairly new cars. Americans were on a buying spree during the bubble era, 2001-2007; they bought new cars along with everything else. So, the goal of the 'Cash for Clunkers' scheme is not to increase the size of the US auto fleet, it's to make it newer. People don't need more cars. They only need to replace cars that get worn out. If they bought a car five years ago, they may be ready to buy another one. Or, they could probably wait until next year. Along come the feds with cash...and the buyer decides to replace his car this year rather than next.

This is heralded as a success. The feds have stimulated demand. But what about next year? We'll have more to say about this on Friday...but the auto example helps us see what a scam these stimulus schemes really are. They claim to boost demand. But they can't really increase demand. All they can do is roll next year's buying into the present year. Sound familiar? That's the very thing that has been happening for the last two generations. Consumers didn't want to wait until they'd made the money to take their vacations or buy their houses. They turned to credit. They borrowed against future earnings.

They spent money they hadn't earned yet...thus bringing forward purchases that should have been made in the future. That's why we have a depression; now, we're in the future! It had to come sooner or later. After drawing consumption forward for decades, Americans had to stop. Time had to catch-up. Homeowners had to pay down debt. Ken Rogoff, Harvard professor of economics, believes it will take them 6-8 years to do so.

But consumers spent more than they could reasonably be expected to pay back. They out-spent the future! They bought a ticket to somewhere beyond the future...to a place where they would never actually arrive. In many cases - especially in the housing market - lenders discovered they couldn't get their money back, which is what led to the credit crunch and the collapse of Wall Street. Of the big five - Bear, Lehman, Goldman, JPMorgan and Merrill - only two survived intact. And we know now that Goldman only survived because Henry Paulson, former CEO of Goldman, then Treasury Secretary, arranged a hidden bailout. He had the government step in to save AIG, which owed Goldman $13 billion.

From one scam to another...that's the way the feds do it. From bailing out Wall Street they now turn to bailing out the entire world economy - in a similarly fraudulent way. Tim Geithner told the Chinese last week that the United States would revive thanks to increased private demand. But the feds cannot really increase demand in the private sector. Increasing real demand would mean increasing real wages. And there's no sign of that. To the contrary, incomes are going down.

Yesterday's news tells us that personal incomes went down 1.3% in June. Incomes had gone up in May, by precisely the same amount - 1.3%, thanks to stimulus payments. Then, too, commentators saw it as a sign of recovery. But what the feds gave in May was taken away in June. The future caught up with the Obama administration's stimulus efforts within 30 days. Net result = zero. The June number reflected the biggest drop in income in four years. It is not surprising. We're in a depression, remember? Salaries and wages fell 0.4% in June...the 9th drop in the last 10 months.

"It looks like there are finally some signs of recovery in the US," said more than one person we talked to last night. The occasion was a cocktail party...held on the grounds of a stately chateau. The summer social season is underway in Poitou. We are attending dinners, plays, cocktail receptions, barbecues and weddings. Last night, waiters in tuxedos passed out champagne, foie gras canapés, and desserts while hundreds of guests milled about and talked. "You might want to hedge your bets on this recovery," we told one Daily Reckoning reader. "It's probably not going to work out." "But I'm confused about something," he continued. "You've been urging me to buy gold for years. And now you seem to be changing your mind."

"No...no...not at all. I'm still a gold bug. It's just that I expect this rebound to end...and for stocks to go down, possibly down a lot. The dollar is what people want when they are frightened. The dollar is going down now because they think there's no longer anything to be frightened about. But when this recovery disappoints them, investors are going to be more frightened than ever. Because they'll realize that we're faced with a depression...and that the feds can't do anything about it. They're going to rush to the safety of dollars...at least for a while. Probably long enough to shake out a lot of gold buyers."




Goldman Sachs $100 Million Trading Days Reach Record
Goldman Sachs Group Inc. made more than $100 million in trading revenue on a record 46 separate days during the second quarter, or 71 percent of the time, breaking the previous high of 34 days in the prior three months. Trading losses occurred on two days during the months of April, May and June, down from eight in the first quarter, the New York-based bank said today in a filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. The company made at least $50 million on 58 of the 65 trading days during the quarter, or 89 percent of the time.

Goldman Sachs, which was the biggest U.S. securities firm before converting to a bank last year, posted the biggest profit in its history during the second quarter as revenue from trading and equity underwriting reached all-time highs. The company, which has returned $10 billion to the U.S. Treasury and paid $1.42 billion in dividends and to cancel warrants, also made its largest market bets during the period. “It’s very counterintuitive to think that they’d be able to generate this much profit and this much revenue in the middle of an ongoing recession,” said William Cohan, a former banker at JPMorgan Chase & Co. and Lazard Ltd. and author of “House of Cards” about the collapse of Bear Stearns Cos. “But the fact that so many of their competitors are out of business or severely wounded has put them in a very strong position.”

In fiscal year 2008, the firm had 90 days in which traders made more than $100 million, compared with 88 in 2007. In fiscal 2006, the figure was 49 days, up from 18 in 2005 and 14 in 2004. Goldman Sachs changed its fiscal year in 2009 to end in December instead of November. Goldman Sachs’s trading results reflected the firm’s willingness to take on more risk during the period. Value-at- risk, an estimate of how much the firm could lose in any given day, rose to an average of $245 million in the second quarter from $240 million in the first quarter and $184 million in the second quarter of 2008. Most of the increase in the second quarter came from bets on equities, the company said.

“They take risks for their clients and for themselves and they’ve figured out a way in this market, with less competition bidding for these things, to make money,” Cohan said. Trading and principal investments accounted for 78 percent of the bank’s revenue in the second quarter of 2009, up from 59 percent in the second quarter of 2008. Net interest income, the difference between the interest the firm pays and what it charges, climbed 60 percent from the second quarter of 2008 as the company’s interest expense dropped 83 percent.

Banks such as Goldman Sachs are benefiting from lower borrowing costs after the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. in October started guaranteeing bank debt issues that mature within three years. Goldman Sachs said in today’s filing it had $25.1 billion of debt guaranteed by the FDIC under the agency’s Temporary Liquidity Guarantee Program. The bank sold about $30 billion of the FDIC-backed securities between November and March, according to company filings. Today’s filing showed the weighted average interest rate paid by Goldman Sachs on its unsecured short-term borrowings dropped to 1.70 percent in June from 2.14 percent in March and from 3.37 percent in November.




Goldman Receives Inquiries On Pay, Derivatives
Goldman Sachs Group Inc. on Wednesday said its second-quarter results might have attracted some unwanted attention from the government. The investment bank said in a regulatory filing that the government has launched investigations into pay practices and credit derivatives trading. Goldman said it was cooperating with the request, but declined to give further details. The inquiries come after Goldman stunned Wall Street last month by posting the biggest quarterly profit in its 140-year history. And, less than a year after it received government aid, the firm reported it set aside $11.4 billion for employee compensation.

The company's resurgence comes at a sensitive time in Washington as lawmakers scrutinize exorbitant Wall Street pay packages as the rest of the nation grapples with a painful recession. The big bonuses for bankers and traders are widely blamed for encouraging the kind of risk taking that led to the financial crisis. Goldman's dominance of trading floors helped power the $3.44 billion of second quarter profits. In fact, the firm said in the regulatory filing that it made $100 million in trading revenue on a record 46 separate days during the quarter.

There were only two days during the quarter when Goldman logged trading losses, according to the filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The rest of the days Goldman made at least $50 million a day by taking bigger bets and taking advantage of the market's dislocation. Trading and principal investments drove the firm's overall revenue during the quarter. Goldman generated a record $6.8 billion in revenue from fixed income, currency and commodities trading during the quarter. Equities trading revenue totaled $3.18 billion during the quarter, and the firm racked up $811 million in revenue from principal investments.

Goldman's credit derivatives business also helped drive second-quarter earnings, and also piqued the interest of government investigators. The firm is a leader in issuing, and trading, derivatives that offer protection against bonds and other debt. The Justice Department's antitrust division launched an investigation this summer into big banks' dominance of credit-default swaps and other derivatives. The probe dovetails with a push by the Obama administration for more transparency in the market, which was blamed for helping deepen the credit crisis last year.




No end in sight for bank bailouts
After rescuing the nation's banking system from utter disaster last fall, Washington now faces an arguably much trickier task: putting the bailout genie back in the bottle. Several initiatives are on course to expire later this year, putting regulators and the White House in the difficult position of having to decide whether the nation's banking industry is strong enough to go it alone. "They would love to get out of the middle of all this stuff if they could," said John Douglas, a former general counsel at the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp, who now heads the banking regulatory practice at law firm Davis Polk & Wardwell. "The question really is whether the financial system and capital system is vibrant enough to exit without a government backstop."

So far, most of the signs from the banking industry lately have been somewhat encouraging. The credit markets seem to be returning to normal. The London Interbank Offered Rate -- or Libor -- a widely relied upon measure of bank-to-bank lending rates, is now well below the record high it hit after Lehman Brothers filed for bankruptcy last fall. At the same time, most banks are back in the black. Even embattled lenders Citigroup and Bank of America, both of which were widely believed to be on the verge of being seized by the federal government earlier this year, managed to report their second consecutive quarter of profits in the latest quarter.

Of course, much of the financial crisis has been defined by false bottoms, with investors thinking that the worst was over, only to face a more severe scenario just months later. Mostly for that reason, experts think that the programs that helped resolve some of the vicious liquidity issues banks were facing last fall might live on for several more months. "You don't want to take off a program and have the world end immediately afterward," said Mark J. Flannery, a professor of finance at the University of Florida's Warrington College of Business Administration.

The FDIC's Temporary Liquidity Guarantee Program, or TLGP, which regulators have been angling to wind down by the end of October, is one program that might be extended. The TLGP, which guarantees debt issued by banks and ultimately allows them to borrow from the public market at a discounted rate, still remains quite popular even as some large institutions have started to wean themselves off it. Through June, the running total of outstanding guaranteed bank debt stood at $277 billion, $50 billion more than when the program first started last November.

Looming troubles in the commercial real estate market have also prompted some lawmakers to push the Federal Reserve to extend its Term Asset-Backed Securities Loan Facility, or TALF, through 2010. That program, which was designed to rekindle the securitization market by providing cheap financing to investors, is set to end on Dec. 31. Last week, Rep. Paul Kanjorski, D-Pa., who chairs a key House Financial Services subcommittee, along with 40 other members of Congress, urged the central bank to give the program more time to help bridge the $1 trillion in commercial real estate coming due and prevent a massive loss of jobs.

"While I would like to wind down the government's emergency support for the private sector as quickly as possible, we need to provide more time for the TALF program to work in this [commercial real estate] industry," Kanjorski wrote in a letter to the Fed and Treasury Department. Other more recent proposals, such as the Treasury Department's Public-Private Investment Program, will also need more time to work. The PPIP, which was beset by multiple delays as regulators tried to figure out the best means of removing many of the troubled assets from banks' books, is still not up and fully running yet. Finally, Treasury still holds billions of dollars worth of preferred share stakes in hundreds of banks under the Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP.

Even as some financial firms have exited that controversial program, some strained institutions may have little choice but to retain the government's investment through the 2012 repayment deadline. The persistence of TARP and various other programs, however, will hardly change the American public's perception that the government is continuing to bail out corporate America. Mark Calabria, director of financial regulation studies at the Cato Institute, a Washington-based think tank that promotes libertarian views, notes that President Obama is already acutely aware of the stigma that many of these programs carry with them -- especially among taxpayers.

So while banking regulators may have the final say on which rescue plans stay and which ones go, Calabria said the White House will probably be offering its own suggestions behind the scenes. "I think the president is very much aware that at some point he can't keep saying it was all George W. Bush," said Calabria. "I think there is unwillingness on the part of the administration to associate itself with continuing bailouts."




Stimulus Slow to Flow to Infrastructure
Stimulus spending on infrastructure projects is moving slowly and many projects won't get started before the summer construction season ends, complicating the Obama administration's efforts to tout the impact of the $787 billion economic recovery act. The General Services Administration has decided how to spend $1 billion on federal building upgrades, but only about 1% of that money has been spent. The GSA will approve another $1 billion by year's end, but Anthony Costa, acting commissioner of the GSA's public buildings services, said it will take until 2011 before the agency picks projects for all of the $5.5 billion it was allocated for infrastructure work.

The Federal Transit Administration has spent about $500 million of the $8.4 billion it received. The Coast Guard has decided to spend the majority of its $240 million on four bridges, but a spokesman said the money "won't transfer hands for a while." California's transportation department has decided how to spend $1.7 billion of the $2.6 billion it is getting for highway infrastructure projects, but the agency says its spending on such projects probably won't peak until next year. "If we go any faster, we're going to be breaking people," said Earl Seaberg, deputy program manager for stimulus spending at Caltrans, the California department.

The gradual start means many projects won't get under way before the beginning of the fall, when many construction projects in the northern half of the country typically halt before the winter rain and snow. That is providing fodder to critics of the recovery act who say it was overhyped as a way to quickly boost the economy. It may also hamper any potential efforts to pass another stimulus bill later this year. House Minority Leader John Boehner (R., Ohio) on Tuesday criticized the act as "slow-moving government spending" that "hasn't provided the immediate jolt to the economy and the new jobs that Washington Democrats promised."

The White House Recovery Office said Tuesday that government agencies have decided how to spend about $31 billion of the $73 billion going directly to construction projects, but it couldn't offer a figure on how much has actually been spent. "The Recovery Act was designed to ramp up over time with more spending later this year and early next, ensuring that we're steadily laying the foundation for a real, long-term recovery," said Ed DeSeve, senior adviser to the president for implementing the recovery act. After meeting with economic advisers Tuesday, Vice President Joseph Biden said, "It's a fairly widespread and widely held view that the recovery act is working."

Some agencies are taking steps to speed up their spending. On Monday, the Education Department said it was sending out $11.4 billion in extra funding for school programs a month ahead of schedule. Education Secretary Arne Duncan attributed his department's pace to the fact that "our career staff has kicked butt," but said he couldn't make comparisons with other agencies. "We've just focused on getting our stuff out," he said. As infrastructure funds work their way into the economy, tax cuts and some other forms of stimulus spending, such as aid to states, are taking effect sooner. Tax cuts account for about a third of the package's price tag, and more than $53 billion of them have been paid out, the White House Recovery Office said Tuesday. A payroll tax credit, which adds about $8 a week to a worker's take-home pay, has been in place for several months.




The price of U.S. recession is paid in jobs
Long after President Barack Obama's first term ends in 2013, millions of U.S. families will still be paying the price for the recession. From auto workers in Detroit too old for retraining, to Hispanic migrants in Arizona with no homes to build, to new college graduates competing with experienced workers for scarce jobs, more and more people are facing long-lasting unemployment. Since the recession began in December 2007, the jobless rate has climbed 4.6 percentage points to 9.5 percent, the biggest jump since the Great Depression. Worse, the mean duration of unemployment is now almost 6 months, the highest on record.

Although Obama frequently points out he inherited the recession from his predecessor, George W. Bush, the fallout will frame his legacy, presenting a quandary for a president elected on a slogan of "Yes We Can." Unless Obama figures out how to repair the job market, the can-do attitude sparked by his election may be replaced by despair, leaving deep economic and social scars that undermine his political goals. Joblessness typically rises during recessions as weak demand prompts companies to cut production and jobs. Normally those workers are rehired once the economy recovers.

For example, in the back-to-back recessions of the early 1980s, the jobless rate peaked at 10.8 percent. Thanks to a strong recovery, that receded to 8.3 percent one year after the downturn ended.
This pattern has changed in recent years and jobs lost in recessions are much slower to return, if they come back at all. In the 2001 slump, unemployment peaked 19 months after the recession ended, and it was another three years before the jobless rate came close to pre-recession levels.

In the current recession, economists say high unemployment is likely to persist at least another four years. In Michigan, home to the battered U.S. auto industry, nearly 13 percent of jobs may be wiped out, according to research firm IHS Global Insight, and the state's labor market probably won't return to its pre-recession strength until after 2015. Alvin Gains, 56, a former worker at a Chrysler plant in the Detroit suburb of Sterling Heights, has given up on finding work in his home state and is leaving for Texas.

He left Michigan once before, when he was laid off by Chrysler in 1979. This time he doesn't expect to come back. "This downturn is so much worse, there's no work for people here," he said. The rise in long-term unemployment is a puzzle for economists. The Congressional Budget Office studied it in 2007 and concluded merely that the shift was "hard to explain." But what is clear is the longer people like Gains remain out of work, the worse their chances get. Skills become outdated, big resume gaps put employers off, and younger people step in.

Retraining is the usual prescription, but pay and benefits in new careers are often far worse. Ex-auto workers who once made $28 an hour can now expect more like $9. "The hardest thing for many auto workers who've been doing the same job for 25 years or so to accept is that instantly, permanently, their standard of living has been ratcheted down 80 percent," said Douglas Stites, chief executive of Capital Area Michigan Works, a career center in Lansing, Michigan.

The housing crisis has worsened the situation for job seekers because areas with high unemployment also have high foreclosure rates, making it hard to sell up and move on. Still, when local prospects are grim, sometimes the only choice is to leave. Outplacement consultancy Challenger, Gray & Christmas said that 18 percent of those finding employment in the second quarter relocated, up 14 percent from the previous quarter and the highest rate since 2006.

The pain of joblessness extends well beyond the workers themselves, hitting their families and entire communities as home foreclosures mount, neighborhoods decay and crime rises. "I see long-term unemployment as a real, treacherous disease. And it kills. It kills," said Boston University sociologist Thomas Cottle, ticking off side effects from stress and hypertension to depression, alcoholism and drug addiction.

Even the rate of dental cavities goes up as the unemployed tend to put off routine medical care, said Cottle, author of "Hardest Times: The Trauma of Long Term Unemployment." He worries that the recession is slowly eroding belief in the American ideal that if you work hard enough, you will get ahead. The longer unemployment endures, the more people will feel abandoned and betrayed, he said.

In many ways, Obama embodies the American Dream. He speaks of how his mother and grandmother sacrificed to provide him with opportunities they never had. With unemployment far higher than most economists expected when he took office, Obama will need to convince Americans that the dream is still attainable. Two groups hit hard by unemployment -- unionized labor and college students -- were also among Obama's strongest supporters in his presidential campaign.

Jason Harper, 22, can't find a job in his chosen field, advertising, despite a Princeton degree and more experience than most people his age. "I thought that it would be a bit easier than it is to find a job," he said. He's now looking for advertising jobs in Germany. While younger people still support Obama, the longer they go without jobs commensurate with their expensive educations, the less happy they will be.

A big test for Obama comes next year, when most members of Congress face mid-term elections. High unemployment breeds angry voters, and a normal response is to toss out the incumbent.
Obama's Democrats are unlikely to lose their big majorities, particularly in the Senate, where 18 of the 34 senators up for reelection are Republicans, but his party's power may be diluted. He is already discovering that one of his top agenda items, healthcare reform, is a tough sell, and a weakened Democratic party could make it even tougher to rally support for his agenda.

When Obama himself comes up for reelection in 2012, the job market will probably still be hurting. Global Insight estimates that, in more than half of the 50 states, it will be 2013 or later before the number of jobs gets back to pre-recession levels. But there is hope on parts of the horizon. The government's $787 billion stimulus package will bring construction jobs, says Joseph Brusuelas, an economist at Moody's Economy.com. That would be welcome news for states such Arizona, Florida and Nevada, where the housing bust has hit employment hard.

Christian Aguilar is one of the construction workers hit by the bust. He thrived painting new homes across the sprawling Phoenix valley until the work dried up. "They laid me off for two weeks, then that stretched out to a month, now I haven't worked since last August," he said. Now he touts for work at a day labor center in Phoenix, waiting for construction work to pick up again. Another group with prospects is out-of-work Wall Street financiers, who Brusuelas sees finding a niche at boutique investment banks or in developing financing for the start-up companies that sprout in bad times.

He likened their situation to defense industry workers in California in the early 1990s who found jobs in unlikely places such as Hollywood animation studios and Silicon Valley. Brusuelas also argues that firms overdid the job cuts in the panic of the fall of 2008 and will need to bring back workers quickly. But for one group, the hard-to-employ older men from the auto industry, economists agree: Those jobs are gone and they are not coming back.




Fidelity the Latest to Caution on ETFs
Fidelity Investments became the latest to warn its customers about leveraged exchange-traded funds. "Leveraged products are complex, carry substantial risks and are intended for short-term trading," a warning to customers on Fidelity's Web site said. "Most reset daily and seek to achieve their objectives on a daily basis. Due to compounding, performance over longer periods can differ significantly from the performance of the underlying index."

The move by the Boston mutual-funds company comes as some brokers place constraints on sales of leveraged or inverse ETFs, or stop them outright. Morgan Stanley Smith Barney, a joint venture of Morgan Stanley and Citigroup, said last week that it is reviewing its sales practices regarding leveraged ETFs. Earlier, UBS's UBS Wealth Management Americas suspended purchases of leveraged ETFs. LPL Investment Holdings of Boston prohibited sales of the leveraged ETFs that seek more than two times the long or short performance of their target index, and Ameriprise Financial of Minneapolis told its advisers to stop soliciting the purchase of the products.

Questions about the products' suitability as long-term investments also have raised regulators' concerns. Fidelity didn't return a call seeking comment. Asked last week about the issues surrounding leveraged ETFs, a Fidelity spokesman said that it makes the funds available to customers who wish to purchase them, and added, "We are aware of recent regulatory and industry discussion about these products, and we are carefully following that discussion." The Financial Industry Regulatory Authority in June issued a reminder to brokers and advisers, urging them to use care in selling inverse and leveraged ETFs.

As pressure mounts for target-date funds to lower expenses, some managers are cutting costs by removing management fees or investing in some combination of lower-cost underlying funds. Fidelity plans to launch the Fidelity Freedom Index Funds, a series of target-date index funds in five-year increments, from 2000 to 2050, in September. Strategic Advisers Inc. will invest each of the target-date funds in a combination of Fidelity index funds.




New Battery Stimulus Spending Is Another GM Bailout
The President announced today $2.4 billion in stimulus spending on advanced battery technology spread across 48 different projects. The money will go to a variety of battery makers, tech companies, automakers and Universities. General Motors appears to be the biggest winner, essentially receiving $392.8 million to advance development of its hybrid plug-in, the Volt. Of that sum, $151.4 million goes to Compact Power, a subsidiary of LG Chem, who is producing batteries for the Volt. The rest goes directly to General Motors.

The other U.S. automakers received considerably less money. Ford gets $40 million, and Chrysler is getting $70 million. Don't feel too bad for Ford, the company is supposed to receive $5.9 billion in a low cost loan from the DOE.
Nissan's plan to change the world gets a nice shot in the arm from this go round of government spending. Its partner, Electric Transportation Engineering Corporation is receiving $99.8 million to deploy charging stations in the nine markets--towns in Tennessee, Arizona, California, Washington, Oregon--where Nissan initially plans on selling its electric car at the end of 2010. The program will help out Nissan, but it will also help turn those parts of the country in electric vehicle hubs. They should have plenty of charging stations and infrastructure in place by the end of next year.

Other notable recipients include A123 and Johnson Controls, who will receive $550 million between them. EnerDel is also going receive $118.5 million. President Obama announced the funding in Elkhart, Indiana, where unemployment is 16.8%, highest in the country. The emphasis of this spending was on job creation and weaning America off the always hated "foreign" oil. Says Obama in the release, ""If we want to reduce our dependence on oil, put Americans back to work and reassert our manufacturing sector as one of the greatest in the world, we must produce the advanced, efficient vehicles of the future." Private matching funds will be spent by each company that receives stimulus money.




Why Nuclear Power Is Part of Our Future
America is falling behind in the race to develop green energy technologies. As John Doerr, a partner at the venture-capital firm Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers, recently told a U.S. Senate energy panel, “The United States led the world in the electronics revolution, and we led in biotechnology and the Internet. But we are letting the energy technology revolution speed by us.” Mr. Doerr noted that the U.S. is home to only one of the top 10 wind turbine producers, only one of the 10 largest photovoltaic solar panel producers, and only two of the top 10 advanced-battery manufacturers.

China is leading this race, and I saw this first hand during a recent trip there. China has doubled its wind-energy capacity each of the past four years, and it is expected to become the world’s largest manufacturer of wind turbines this year. It is already the world’s leading producer of solar panels. The Chinese understand that clean-energy technologies are the key to controlling their energy future. However, while the U.S. may be trailing on renewable energy and storage technology, we are still the world’s largest operator of commercial nuclear power.

We have 104 licensed commercial nuclear reactors—generating about 20% of our electricity and more than 70% of all carbon-free electricity. My company, the North Carolina-based Duke Energy, has seven reactors and we are planning three more. France operates 58 reactors and China has 11, but it is currently building 24 more. Additionally, the U.S. remains a leader in researching and developing nuclear technologies. Our national labs and private sector know-how provide the resources and the scientific foundation for the U.S. to compete as a global leader in commercial nuclear power.

Our private-sector expertise and interest in new nuclear plants is causing regional energy hubs to sprout up, creating thousands of well-paying jobs. In our headquarters city of Charlotte, N.C., Toshiba America Nuclear Energy recently announced it is adding about 200 new jobs and investing nearly $3 million to establish a nuclear power construction management center. Also in Charlotte, Siemens Energy is adding over 220 new jobs over the next five years and investing $50 million to grow its local power facility, which employs 780. The Shaw Group located and expanded its 1,000-employee Power Group here. Similar stories are being repeated around the country. This naturally occurring, market-driven expansion of nuclear jobs didn’t have anything to do with stimulus spending.

We must maintain this momentum. Not only is this a major shot in the arm for our local and national economies, but with zero greenhouse gas emissions, nuclear power is tailor-made for addressing climate change. This is critical as Congress prepares to put a price on carbon. Investing in new nuclear power plants, which produce electricity 24 hours a day and seven days a week, can be a major growth engine for our economy. Nuclear plants can be located close to growing demand centers, and next to existing transmission lines. Renewables, which produce power intermittently, must often be sited far from cities and the grid.

According to industry estimates, building a new nuclear plant can result in the creation of 1,400 to 1,800 jobs during construction, with peak employment as high as 2,400 jobs. Operating a new plant can generate 400 to 700 permanent jobs that can pay almost 40% more than average local salaries. These are good, long-term jobs—the kind you can raise a family on. Additionally, each year the average nuclear plant generates approximately $430 million in sales of goods and services in the local community and nearly $40 million in total labor income, including both direct and secondary economic impacts. Imagine the economic stimulus if the 26 or so new nuclear plants currently planned for the U.S. were fully developed.

To generate electricity that is affordable, reliable and clean as we transition to a low-carbon future, we must also invest in and expand our use of wind, solar and other new renewable energy technologies. Duke Energy alone is poised to become one of the 10 largest wind energy producers in the U.S. this year. When it comes to creating thousands of 21st century jobs—energy jobs on which we can rebuild the middle class—nuclear power clearly has the edge. We can and must grow our lead.

Mr. Rogers is chairman, president and chief executive officer of Duke Energy Corporation.




The debt-inflation myth, debunked by UBS
Here’s an interesting counterpoint to the theory that governments are attempting to inflate their way out of their financial crisis-related debt dilemmas.

It comes courtesy of UBS economist Paul Donovan, who argues:
While most investors today acknowledge that deflation is likely to be a feature for the OECD economies during the second half of 2009, inflation pessimists cling resolutely to the belief that inflation will inevitably return. “Fiscal deficits are rising dramatically” goes the argument. “Governments will have to create inflation to reduce debt:GDP ratios, as they have done in the past.”

The problem with the idea of governments inflating their way out of a debt burden is that it does not work. Absent episodes of hyper-inflation, it is a strategy that has never worked. Government debt: GDP burdens tend to be positively correlated with inflation. Market mythology has created the idea that inflation will help reduce government debt ratios. The facts do not support the myth. OECD government debt rises as inflation rises. Meaningful reductions in government debt will require a low inflation future.

To wit — this chart, which purportedly shows year-on-year levels of inflation on the x-axis and change in government debt (as a per cent of GDP) over one year on the y-axis. The two axes cross each other at the 5 per cent inflation level because that’s deemed, by UBS, to constitute a genuine inflation shock.

UBS chart of inflation vs change in government debt (as % of GDP)

The point then, is that there aren’t many instances in the lower right-hand quadrant, which would coincide with relatively high levels of inflation and a decline in government debt as a proportion of GDP. The picture is much the same, according to UBS, over a two-year period too.

But why? Here’s Donovan again:
The fundamental obstacle to governments eroding their debt through inflation is the duration of the government debt portfolio. If all outstanding debt had ten years before it matured, then governments could inflate their way out of the debt burden. Inflation would ravage bond holders, and governments (with no need to roll over existing debt for a decade) could create inflation with impunity, secure in the knowledge that existing bond holders could do nothing to punish them. In the real world, of course, governments roll over their debt on a very frequent basis. As a result, governments are vulnerable to higher debt service costs if market interest rates change. If markets move to price in the consequence of higher inflation by raising nominal interest rates, then the debt service cost will rise and increase the debt. Thus a period of high inflation will tend to raise both the numerator and the denominator of the debt:GDP ratio.


As an example, the US can expect to roll over almost 45 per cent of its debt in the next 12 months and some 55 per cent over the course of the next two years. So according to UBS, if there is an inflation surge in the next 12 months, the US government would expect that to be reflected in higher borrowing costs — thus negating any ’sympathetic’ inflation-impact on its national debt. There’s also the issue of TIPS, or index-linked (inflation-linked) securities.

Add to that the notion that real yields tend to also rise in times of uncertain inflation — by as much as 100 to 150bp, according to UBS’s analysis, as investors demand a premium for the uncertainty — which further adds to government borrowing costs.

Thus, according to UBS, the problem governments face is that high inflation is likely to generate higher nominal and higher real interest rates. This means the rate of increase in debt servicing costs will probably exceed the rate of increase in nominal GDP, as a result of the higher inflation, and voila — you have very little government benefit associated with stronger inflation, according to the bank.

Donovan’s conclusion:
The idea that governments can readily inflate their way out of their debt problems is a misnomer — arising, perhaps, from confusion between the fate of the individual bondholder and the response of the collective market. An individual holder of a long duration bond will lose out as a result of inflation. However, modern governments can not rely on markets to remain collectively indifferent to inflation. Inflation will raise the nominal cost of borrowing (of course) but through the inflation uncertainty risk premium it will also add to the real cost of borrowing.

The higher debt service cost becomes a problem for a government that is pursuing an inflation strategy because government debt does have to be rolled over. Unless a government is willing to pursue hyper-inflation as a strategy, raising inflation will not reduce the government debt burden. Indeed, history indicates that the reverse result will be achieved.

So caveat hyperinflation. Not sure that will appease the uber-inflation hawks, really.




U.S. Treasury to Sell $75 Billion in Long-Term Debt
The U.S. Treasury plans to sell a record $75 billion in its quarterly auctions of debt next week and indicated plans to expand inflation-indexed securities next year as it finances unprecedented budget deficits.
The Treasury plans to auction $37 billion in three-year notes on Aug. 11, $23 billion in 10-year notes Aug. 12 and $15 billion in 30-year bonds Aug. 13. The amounts matched the median forecast of analysts surveyed by Bloomberg News.

The Treasury’s current borrowing calendar is “sufficient” to meet the government’s needs and auction sizes are likely to rise in a “gradual manner” over the medium term, a Treasury statement in Washington said today. The Treasury signaled that issuance of Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities will rise in fiscal year 2010, and said it would consider replacing the 20- year TIPS with a 30-year security. “Near-term financing needs will rise as a result of weakness in the economy,” Karthik Ramanathan, the department’s debt-management director, told the Treasury Borrowing Advisory Committee yesterday, according to minutes of the meeting. The Treasury is “well-poised to meet the balance of its financing requirements not only for the remainder of the year but also fiscal 2010.”

The Treasury also said it expects to run up against the debt ceiling, which currently stands at $12.1 trillion, in the last three months of the 2009 calendar year. The Treasury said it would keep Congress and the markets apprised of developments, “given the uncertainty surrounding potential borrowing needs.” Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner has pledged to return the budget shortfall to sustainable levels by 2013. Even so, the International Monetary Fund projects the U.S. will swell its deficit to the highest level as a share of gross domestic product among the Group of Seven industrial nations.

In a briefing with reporters today, Matthew Rutherford, the Treasury’s deputy assistant secretary for federal finance, said the government remains committed to reducing the budget shortfall. The department is hearing growing interest for TIPS, he said, declining to comment about any potential purchases by China or other individual buyers. Rutherford also said the Treasury is committed to keeping the size of a supplemental financing program with the Federal Reserve at $200 billion.

On Aug. 3, the Treasury cut its borrowing estimate for the July-to-September quarter to $406 billion, as spending on banking and housing rescue efforts is less than anticipated. The department cited lower purchases of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac preferred stock, as well as banks repaying money from the Troubled Asset Relief Program. “The borrowing pressure on them remains acute,” said William O’Donnell, U.S. government bond strategist at RBS Securities Inc. in Stamford, Connecticut. “They seem to be satisfied with the current suite of nominal issuance. There doesn’t seem to be any imminent threat of bringing a new Treasury security.”

The Chinese government and other investors have expressed concerns that the inflation-indexed market may not be as strong as the broader Treasury sector, O’Donnell said. “Increased supply will help increase depth and liquidity,” O’Donnell said. “The Treasury now recognizes that and appears committed to doing something.” In a Bloomberg News survey of seven analyst forecasts, the median estimate for next week’s auctions was $37 billion in three-year note sales, $23 billion in 10-year note sales and $15 billion in bond sales. To help manage short-term borrowing needs, the Treasury said it plans to sell cash-management bills in the current quarter, with some of them “longer dated” securities.

Next week’s auctions of bonds and notes will raise $14.1 billion in new cash, with the rest of the proceeds going to pay off maturing debt, the Treasury said. For the first nine months of the current fiscal year, which ends Sept. 30, the deficit reached $1.1 trillion. The gap for all of fiscal 2009 is projected by the Congressional Budget Office to be $1.8 trillion, as the Obama administration spends to reverse the worst U.S. economic slump since the Great Depression. This quarter’s total long-term debt sales exceeded the $71 billion in notes and bonds sold at the last refunding in May, when the Treasury expanded its sales of 30-year bonds to once a month, up from eight auctions per year.




The Destruction of the Black Middle Class
by Dedrick Muhammad And Barbara Ehrenreich

To judge from most of the commentary on the Gates-Crowley affair, you would think that a "black elite" has gotten dangerously out of hand. First Gates (Cambridge, Yale, Harvard) showed insufficient deference to Crowley, then Obama (Occidental, Harvard) piled on to accuse the police of having acted "stupidly." Was this "the end of white America" which the Atlantic had warned of in its January/February cover story? Or had the injuries of class - working class in Crowley's case - finally trumped the grievances of race?

Left out of the ensuing tangle of commentary on race and class has been the increasing impoverishment-or, we should say, re-impoverishment--of African Americans as a group. In fact, the most salient and lasting effect of the current recession may turn out to be the decimation of the black middle class. According to a study by Demos and the Institute for Assets and Social Policy, 33 percent of the black middle class was already in danger of falling out of the middle class at the start of the recession. Gates and Obama, along with Oprah and Cosby, will no doubt remain in place, but millions of the black equivalents of Officer Crowley - from factory workers to bank tellers and white collar managers - are sliding down toward destitution.

For African Americans - and to a large extent, Latinos - the recession is over. It occurred between 2000 and 2007, as black employment decreased by 2.4 percent and incomes declined by 2.9 percent. During the seven-year long black recession, one third of black children lived in poverty and black unemployment-even among college graduates-- consistently ran at about twice the level of white unemployment. That was the black recession. What's happening now is a depression.

Black unemployment is now at 14.7 percent, compared to 8.7 for whites. In New York City, black unemployment has been rising four times as fast as that of whites. Lawrence Mishel, president of the Economic Policy Institute, estimates that 40 percent of African Americans will have experienced unemployment or underemployment by 2010, and this will increase child poverty from one-third of African-American children to slightly over half. No one can entirely explain the extraordinary rate of job loss among African Americans, though factors may include the relative concentration of blacks in the hard-hit retail and manufacturing sectors, as well as the lesser seniority of blacks in better-paying, white collar, positions.

But one thing is certain: The longstanding racial "wealth gap" makes African Americans particularly vulnerable to poverty when job loss strikes. In 1998, the net worth of white households on average was $100,700 higher than that of African-Americans. By 2007, this gap had increased to $142,600. The Survey of Consumer Finances, which is supported by the Federal Reserve Board, collects this data every three years -- and every time it has been collected, the racial wealth gap has widened. To put it another way: in 2004, for every dollar of wealth held by the typical white family, the African American family had only one 12 cents. In 2007, it had exactly a dime. So when an African American breadwinner loses a job, there are usually no savings to fall back on, no well-heeled parents to hit up, no retirement accounts to raid.

All this comes on top of the highly racially skewed subprime mortgage calamity. After decades of being denied mortgages on racial grounds, African Americans made a tempting market for bubble-crazed lenders like Countrywide, with the result that high income blacks were almost twice as likely as low income white to receive high interest subprime loans. According to the Center for Responsible Lending, Latinos will end up losing between $75 billion and $98 billion in home-value wealth from subprime loans, while blacks will lose between $71 billion and $92 billion. United for a Fair Economy has called this family net-worth catastrophe the "greatest loss of wealth for people of color in modern U.S. history."

Yet in the depths of this African American depression, some commentators, black as well as white, are still obsessing about the supposed cultural deficiencies of the black community. In a December op-ed in the Washington Post, Kay Hymowitz blamed black economic woes on the fact that 70 percent of black children are born to single mothers, not noticing that the white two-parent family has actually declined at a faster rate than the black two-parent family. The share of black children living in a single parent home increased by 155 percent between 1960 to 2006, while the share of white children living in single parent homes increased by a staggering 229 percent.

Just last month on NPR, commentator Juan Williams dismissed the NAACP by saying that more up-to-date and relevant groups focus on "people who have taken advantage of integration and opportunities for education, employment, versus those who seem caught in generational cycles of poverty," which he went on to characterize by drug use and crime. The fact that there is an ongoing recession disproportionately affecting the African American middle class - and brought on by Wall Street greed rather than "ghetto" values - seems to have eluded him.

We don't need any more moralizing or glib analyses of class and race that could have just as well been made in the 70s. The recession is changing everything. It's redrawing the class contours of America in ways that will leave us more polarized than ever, and, yes, profoundly hurting the erstwhile white middle and working classes. But the depression being experienced by people of color threatens to do something on an entirely different scale, and that is to eliminate the black middle class.




Bernanke's Shell Game
Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke is a man who knows how Washington works and uses that knowledge to great effect.  His appearences on Capital Hill are always worth watching. He sits politely with his hands folded in front of him playing the bashful professor while one one preening congressman after another makes a fool out of himself. In contrast, Bernanke looks modest and thoughtful, faithfully upholding the public's trust.  But things aren't always as they seem. The Fed chief is sticking it to the American people big-time and no one seems to have any idea of what's really going on. Former hedge fund manager Andy Kessler sums it up in a recent Wall Street Journal article, "The Bernanke Market". Here's a clip:
"By buying U.S. Treasuries and mortgages to increase the monetary base by $1 trillion, Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke didn't put money directly into the stock market but he didn't have to. With nowhere else to go, except maybe commodities, inflows into the stock market have been on a tear. Stock and bond funds saw net inflows of close to $150 billion since January. The dollars he cranked out didn't go into the hard economy, but instead into tradable assets. In other words, Ben Bernanke has been the market."

What does it mean?

It means the revered professor Bernanke figured out a way to circumvent Congress and dump more than a trillion dollars into the stock market by laundering the money through the big banks and other failing financial institutions. As Kessler suggests, Bernanke knew the liquidity would pop up in the equities market, thus, building the equity position of the banks so they wouldn't have to grovel to Congress for another TARP-like bailout. Bernanke's actions demonstrate his contempt for the democratic process. The Fed sees itself as a government-unto-itself.

Over at Zero Hedge, Tyler Durden did the math and figured that the recent 45 per cent surge in the S&P 500 had nothing to do with the fictional economic "recovery", but was just more of the Fed's hanky panky. Durden noticed that the money that's been sluicing into stocks hasn't (correspondingly) depleted the money markets. That's the clue that led him to the truth about Bernanke's 6 month stock rally.

Zero Hedge: "Most interesting is the correlation between Money Market totals and the listed stock value since the March lows: a $2.7 trillion move in equities was accompanied by a less than $400 billion reduction in Money Market accounts!

Where, may we ask, did the balance of $2.3 trillion in purchasing power come from? Why the Federal Reserve of course, which directly and indirectly subsidized U.S. banks (and foreign ones through liquidity swaps) for roughly that amount. Apparently these banks promptly went on a buying spree to raise the all important equity market, so that the U.S. consumer whose net equity was almost negative on March 31, could regain some semblance of confidence and would go ahead and max out his credit card. Alas, as one can see in the money multiplier and velocity of money metrics, U.S. consumers couldn't care less about leveraging themselves any more."

So, the magical "Green Shoots" stock market rally was fueled by a mere $400 billion from the money markets. The rest ($2.3 trillion) was main-lined into the market via  Bernanke's quantitative easing (QE) program, of which Krugman and others speak so highly.

Wouldn't you like to know if Bernanke sat down with G-Sax and JPM executives and mapped out the details of this swindle before the printing presses ever started rolling?

So, how long can this kind of fakery go on before our creditors grow weary of dealing with chiselers and stop buying US Treasuries altogether? Here's a piece from Friday's Wall Street Journal on that very topic:

"Shaky auctions of Treasury notes this week reignited concerns about whether the government can attract buyers from China and elsewhere to soak up trillions in new debt.

“A fuse was lit this week when traders noted China's apparent absence from direct participation in two Treasury bond auctions. While China may have bought Treasurys just before the auctions, market participants read the country's actions as a worrying sign that China and other foreign investors may be ratcheting back purchases at a time when the U.S. is seeking to fund a $1.8 trillion budget deficit.

“This week alone, the U.S. deluged the bond market with more than $200 billion in record-size sales. The U.S. has had little trouble finding buyers in recent months. But that demand is fading, and the Treasury market has become volatile."


Uncle Sam is goosing the bond market just like he is the stock market. Take a look at Treasury's latest bit of chicanery which was stuffed in the back pages of the Wall Street Journal back in June:
>"The sudden increase in demand by foreign buyers for Treasurys, hailed as proof that the world's central banks are still willing to help absorb the avalanche of supply, mightn't be all that it seems.

“When the government sells bonds, traders typically look at a group of buyers called indirect bidders, which includes foreign central banks, to divine overseas demand for U.S. debt. That demand has been rising recently, giving comfort to investors that foreign buyers will continue to finance the U.S.'s budget deficit.

“But in a little-noticed switch on June 1, the Treasury changed the way it accounts for indirect bids, putting more buyers under that umbrella and boosting the portion of recent Treasury sales that the market perceived were being bought by foreigners." ("Is foreign Demand as Solid as it Looks, Min zeng)

Nice touch, eh? So, someone doesn't want you and me to know when foreign demand drops off a cliff, so they just bend-and-twist the definitions so they meet the Fed's requirements.  How's that for transparency?. Apparently, Bernanke et al. don't believe the Chinese have translators who can make sense of all this subterfuge. That may be a miscalculation, however, given recent rumblings from the Orient.

But, perhaps, Bernanke knows that foreign demand for Treasuries will dry up and has made other plans to stabilize the dollar already. Maybe he worked out an agreement with the banks that if he pumped up the stock market--which he has--and built up the banks equity position--which he has---the banks would return the favor by buying up the lion's-share of Treasuries.   

This is from Bloomberg (August 3):

"U.S. lenders bailed out by the government are returning the favor by stepping up purchases of Treasuries, helping to temper a rise in borrowing costs.

“Bank holdings of U.S. government securities are up 15.6 per cent from a year ago, almost double the average annual growth rate of about 8 per cent since the Federal Reserve began tracking the data in 1973, according to the Greenwich, Connecticut-based trading and research firm MKM Partners LP. Purchases may accelerate as lenders look for places to park rising deposits as sales of federal agency debt of companies such as Fannie Mae and corporate bonds slow." (Bloomberg)


One hand washes the other. Funny how that works.

So, the bottom line is that the dollar is increasingly balanced on the rotting scaffolding of Bernanke's buyback programs (Quantitative Easing) and the circular purchases from collaborating banks that are concealing their backroom dealings with the Fed.

To keep this game going, Bernanke will have to keep juicing the market while the banks use the $850 billion in reserves (which the Fed has provided in the last year) to keep purchasing US sovereign debt.

Is anyone in Congress watching or is this shell game going to go on forever?





The Madness Of The Media
About a week ago, the cover story of Newsweek magazine dispensed happy talk to its readers, namely a firm declaration that the recession was over. On Wednesday, more happy media talk as the front pages of the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal and USA Today proclaimed to its readers that the three-year housing horror show appeared to be over. Maybe so, but it seems unlikely that the army of 14.7 million unemployed Americans, and counting, and the former owners of an estimated 2 million foreclosed and abandoned homes, and counting, will share their exuberance.

"Media madness" is the reaction of one top Morgan Stanley trader, who contends the economic facts of life are suddenly being replaced with economic fiction. "It reminds me of the lyrics from an old Johnny Mercer song," he says; "you've got to accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative." And that's what the media is doing, he says. "First, they accentuated the negative, and now they're eliminating it." Charles Biderman, the 62-year-old skipper of West Coast liquidity tracker TrimTabs Investment Research, which is partially owned by Goldman Sachs and boasts among its readership many of the country's top hedge fund managers. seems to agree, ridiculing what he characterizes as the media's current bullish nonsense. "The Newsweek cover," he predicts, "will become an historical cover as a contrary indicator."

A one time Barron's reporter, Biderman has frequently taken pot shots at the press, knocking it for what he regards as its excessively rosy views of both the economy and the stock market. In effect, he's suggesting that the media's desire to want things to be better may be clouding its editorial judgment. One example may well be its mounting characterization of economic data as "less bad" when, in fact, it's still downright negative. Biderman's thinking on this score should not be pooh-poohed. I've seen a number of examples where some in the media have gone off half cocked in their ultra-sunny economic market assessments. And then a day or week later, lo and behold, they turn out to be totally wrong.

A recent example of the preposterous can be seen in the comments from one talking head on the usually reliable Fox Business Network, who told viewers that both the Bush and Obama administrations deserved a pat on the back for their economic actions. That's utterly absurd since under watch of the current and previous administrations--blame whichever party you'd like or both--we've experienced the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression, with the national debt, the budget deficit, bankruptcies and unemployment going through the roof.

Uncle Sam just reported that the economy, turned in better than expected numbers, shrinking at only a 1% pace in the latest quarter. Biderman is not impressed. It's not a year-over-year number, he points out, but sequential, quarter over quarter. Further, he notes, the number is only a very preliminary estimate, which in the past has been so dramatically revised that it has become meaningless.

Meanwhile, Biderman seems to offer some compelling arguments that the media's housing and economic bulls could be skydiving without a parachute. Recently, there has been good news on the housing front. Namely, new home sales in June rose 11%, while existing home sales for the month rose for the third consecutive month. More recently and considered even more relevant, a survey of 20 metropolitan areas by the well regarded Case-Shiller folks showed that home prices rose in 8 cities in May, versus 4 in April.

In response, Biderman notes "the bulls are putting lipstick on the housing pig and it won't work." The reason, he says: the bad news on the housing front outweighs the good. For starters, he points out that as of the end of May, 11.3% of the 41 million total U.S. mortgagesoutstanding were delinquent, up from 8.5% or 3.5 million at the end of January. Likewise, he calls attention to some 5 million home owners who are no longer making their mortgage payments. As for the Case-Shiller news, he notes that on a seasonally adjusted basis, using month over month comparisons, home prices actually declined in June. He also argues that the housing bulls are ignoring a potential tidal wave of failures in option ARM and Alt-A mortgages.

(Option ARM mortgages are adjustable rate mortgages that allow you to choose among several payment options each month. Alt-A mortgages, more risky than conventional mortgages, are something of a step below loans for people who have better credit than sub-prime borrowers, but credit which may not qualify them for the best loans and lower rates.)

With job losses continuing to rise -- Biderman projects they'll top 400,000 in July--he sees a new downleg in housing starting in the fourth quarter or in early 2010, spurred by an additional wave of foreclosures, chiefly among higher-priced homes. "How are people expected to pay their mortgages if they lose their jobs?," he asks. "The answer," he says, "is they can't." One of the damaging offshoots of the continued housing slump, as he sees it: "Banks will be hit with a tremendous increase in non-performing loans."

Lately, Biderman has been negative on the stock market and he's been decidedly wrong, given the robust resumption of the March-June rally. To make matters worse, his model portfolio has been recommending a number of short sales (a bet stock prices will go lower). "The rally has been painful," he says, but he's convinced "it's fake and unsustainable." For the past 35 years, he notes, money managers have convinced themselves you buy stocks on dips, and it has worked. But that game, he believes, will come to an end because reality should soon come home to roost. On the liquidity side, he notes that buying by corporate insiders is way down, while insider selling is way up. In addition, there are virtually no corporate stock buybacks.

"You have unemployment going up, wages and salaries dropping more than expected, falling consumer confidence, and many people have stopped paying their mortgages," Biderman says. "The only real improvement is in the stock market, and common sense tells you it can't last." The economy, he predicts, will get worse, not better, and he believes the Dow Industrials, currently at around 9150, should return to their March low (6547). Accordingly, says our bear, investors should now be aggressive sellers of stocks. Or put another way, when it comes to the market, it's a good time to be a wimp.




Banking On A Suit
Madoff Litigator Chasing JPMorgan For Clawback

Joseph Cotchett, the San Francisco trial lawyer who last week made a splash when he sat down with convicted Ponzi schemer Bernie Madoff, is using the fruits of that interview to take aim at Wall Street, The Post has learned. Since emerging from his 4?-hour sit-down with Madoff at a federal prison in Butner, NC, where the fallen financier is serving a 150-year sentence, Cotchett and his legal team have been furiously amending their lawsuits to name new defendants.

Among those new targets may be big financial firms, sources close to the legal team told The Post. Cotchett and his army of lawyers "are investigating the investment banks -- the people who had knowledge that this wasn't a good investment, so to speak," said a person familiar with the litigator's plan. "If they had done the due diligence, the fraud could have been caught. I think those that had the responsibility to do the due diligence didn't do what they should have done."

A likely target could be JPMorgan Chase, which has been accused of pulling its money from Madoff ahead of the breaking scandal, leaving its clients behind. JPMorgan gave its clients access to Madoff through a product that let them lever their returns on funds that invested with the fraudster. The bank invested $250 million of its own money in the product, known as levered notes, but pulled out months before Madoff was arrested in December. A lawsuit filed in April by a Madoff investor claims JPMorgan Chase "unequivocally knew that Madoff's investment returns were false" as far back as September 2008.

A JPMorgan spokesman declined to comment, citing the lack of a formal complaint against the firm. The bank has previously cited "a wide-ranging review" of the firm's overall hedge-fund exposure, as well as concerns about "the lack of transparency" as reasons it pulled its money from Madoff investments last year. Cotchett declined to comment on which firms he may be going after, but suggested the list of victims' claims offers some clues, as it names investment banking executives. "If you have executives . . . investing in Madoff, you might want to see what their hedge funds are controlling," he said, in an effort to offer a clue to his thinking. Indeed, while the list of victims' claims filed with Madoff trustee Irving Picard aren't publicly available, JPMorgan shows up several times on a list of thousands of Madoff clients that emerged several months ago.




A Canadian doctor diagnoses U.S. healthcare
Universal health insurance is on the American policy agenda for the fifth time since World War II. In the 1960s, the U.S. chose public coverage for only the elderly and the very poor, while Canada opted for a universal program for hospitals and physicians' services. As a policy analyst, I know there are lessons to be learned from studying the effect of different approaches in similar jurisdictions. But, as a Canadian with lots of American friends and relatives, I am saddened that Americans seem incapable of learning them.

Our countries are joined at the hip. We peacefully share a continent, a British heritage of representative government and now ownership of GM. And, until 50 years ago, we had similar health systems, healthcare costs and vital statistics. The U.S.' and Canada's different health insurance decisions make up the world's largest health policy experiment. And the results? On coverage, all Canadians have insurance for hospital and physician services. There are no deductibles or co-pays. Most provinces also provide coverage for programs for home care, long-term care, pharmaceuticals and durable medical equipment, although there are co-pays. On the U.S. side, 46 million people have no insurance, millions are underinsured and healthcare bills bankrupt more than 1 million Americans every year.

Lesson No. 1: A single-payer system would eliminate most U.S. coverage problems.

On costs, Canada spends 10% of its economy on healthcare; the U.S. spends 16%. The extra 6% of GDP amounts to more than $800 billion per year. The spending gap between the two nations is almost entirely because of higher overhead. Canadians don't need thousands of actuaries to set premiums or thousands of lawyers to deny care. Even the U.S. Medicare program has 80% to 90% lower administrative costs than private Medicare Advantage policies. And providers and suppliers can't charge as much when they have to deal with a single payer.

Lessons No. 2 and 3: Single-payer systems reduce duplicative administrative costs and can negotiate lower prices.

Because most of the difference in spending is for non-patient care, Canadians actually get more of most services. We see the doctor more often and take more drugs. We even have more lung transplant surgery. We do get less heart surgery, but not so much less that we are any more likely to die of heart attacks. And we now live nearly three years longer, and our infant mortality is 20% lower.

Lesson No. 4: Single-payer plans can deliver the goods because their funding goes to services, not overhead.

The Canadian system does have its problems, and these also provide important lessons. Notwithstanding a few well-publicized and misleading cases, Canadians needing urgent care get immediate treatment. But we do wait too long for much elective care, including appointments with family doctors and specialists and selected surgical procedures. We also do a poor job managing chronic disease. However, according to the New York-based Commonwealth Fund, both the American and the Canadian systems fare badly in these areas. In fact, an April U.S. Government Accountability Office report noted that U.S. emergency room wait times have increased, and patients who should be seen immediately are now waiting an average of 28 minutes. The GAO has also raised concerns about two- to four-month waiting times for mammograms.

On closer examination, most of these problems have little to do with public insurance or even overall resources. Despite the delays, the GAO said there is enough mammogram capacity. These problems are largely caused by our shared politico-cultural barriers to quality of care. In 19th century North America, doctors waged a campaign against quacks and snake-oil salesmen and attained a legislative monopoly on medical practice. In return, they promised to set and enforce standards of practice. By and large, it didn't happen. And perverse incentives like fee-for-service make things even worse.

Using techniques like those championed by the Boston-based Institute for Healthcare Improvement, providers can eliminate most delays. In Hamilton, Ontario, 17 psychiatrists have linked up with 100 family doctors and 80 social workers to offer some of the world's best access to mental health services. And in Toronto, simple process improvements mean you can now get your hip assessed in one week and get a new one, if you need it, within a month.

Lesson No. 5: Canadian healthcare delivery problems have nothing to do with our single-payer system and can be fixed by re-engineering for quality.

U.S. health policy would be miles ahead if policymakers could learn these lessons. But they seem less interested in Canada's, or any other nation's, experience than ever. Why? American democracy runs on money. Pharmaceutical and insurance companies have the fuel. Analysts see hundreds of billions of premiums wasted on overhead that could fund care for the uninsured. But industry executives and shareholders see bonuses and dividends.

Compounding the confusion is traditional American ignorance of what happens north of the border, which makes it easy to mislead people. Boilerplate anti-government rhetoric does the same. The U.S. media, legislators and even presidents have claimed that our "socialized" system doesn't let us choose our own doctors. In fact, Canadians have free choice of physicians. It's Americans these days who are restricted to "in-plan" doctors. Unfortunately, many Americans won't get to hear the straight goods because vested interests are promoting a caricature of the Canadian experience.

Michael M. Rachlis is a physician, health policy analyst and author in Toronto




One in 25 Northern Rock customers in mortgage arrears
Almost one in 25 Northern Rock customers are three months or more behind with their mortgage repayments, the state-owned lender admitted yesterday as it revealed a jump in bad debts and deepening losses of £724m in the first half. The Newcastle-based bank, which owes the taxpayer £10.9bn, has a rate of arrears of 3.93% of its mortgage book – or 22,141 customers – compared with an industry average of 2.39%.

It has repossessed nearly four times more homes than the industry average although the 2,522 homes it has in possession is down from the peak of 4,000 and fewer than the 3,620 at the end of last year. Gary Hoffman, chief executive of Northern Rock, pinned the blame on the Together loan which allowed customers to borrow 125% of the value of their homes. "Together mortgages are a third of the book, half of the arrears and two thirds to the repossessions," said Hoffman. As a result 39% of the bank's customers are in negative equity after the 21% drop in house prices from their peak – a fact seized upon by the Conservatives.

Philip Hammond, shadow chief secretary to the Treasury, said: "Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling promised taxpayers our money would be safe and that Northern Rock was a good investment. They were wrong, and ordinary families up and down the country are paying the price in higher taxes to fund their write-offs." The charge taken to cover bad debts of £602m was up from £192m a year ago, although it was an improvement on the last six months of 2008.

As with HSBC and Barclays on Monday, Northern Rock is finding that the rate of problem loans is slowing. The City is waiting to see what guidance Lloyds Banking Group, owner of Halifax, gives on wednesday, when it is expected to report £10bn or more of bad debts. But the number of Northern Rock customers in early stage arrears – missing just one or two mortgage payments – is slowing because of low interest rates. "We are seeing some encouraging signs in our early arrears," Hoffman said.

The government, which took control of Northern Rock 18 months ago, is waiting for EU state aid approval to split the bank up. Approval is expected in the autumn when speculation will mount that the Treasury is looking for a buyer for the business. A new so-called BankCo will carry out £14bn of lending by the end of next year after being injected with more taxpayers' money but stripped of the existing government loans. A "bad bank" known as AssetCo, will hold the troubled mortgage book as well as the government loans, which could make it easier for the cleaned-up BankCo to find a private sector buyer.

Hoffman insisted both operations could be attractive to buyers and said he did not know which arm he would run once the split took place. He was adamant that despite speculation the government wanted to sell the businesses before the general election, there was "no process underway". The Treasury also insisted it was not looking for a sale. The Co-operative party, which sponsors Treasury select committee chairman John McFall and is affiliated to Labour, urged the government to remutualise the bank, which converted from a building society 10 years ago.

The Financial Services Authority is allowing Northern Rock to run on a depleted capital ratio while it awaits state aid approval, but even so Hoffman admitted that a target to lend £5bn for mortgages this year could not be met because of its weak capital cushion. He now expects to lend £4bn this year after resuming new lending in the middle of the year when the government reversed previous demands that the bank lose customers to enable it to pay off its taxpayer loan.

Rather than the £724m loss for the six months to June, caused by accounting technicalities, Hoffman highlighted the underlying loss, which narrowed to £270m compared with £443m a year ago. While the lender suffered a dramatic outflow of funds in September 2007 when its difficulties first emerged and then inflows during last year's banking crisis when it was regarded as a safe haven because of the government guarantee, £1bn was withdrawn in the first six months of the year as the banking system returned to normal.




The Recession Isn't Over, By a Long Shot
The “happy talk” campaign in the US media and coming from the White House is just that: Happy Talk. To get a real picture of what is happening with this economy, here are a few things to keep in mind. Yes, the rate of decline in economic activity has slowed. But that is to be expected. When an economy is going at full tilt, as the US economy was doing in early 2007, a slowdown of any significance yields huge numbers, in terms of falling production, falling factory utilization, falling car sales, or, this time around, falling housing prices. 

But once you get to the same period in 2008, you’re already in a deep recession, and there really isn’t that much farther to fall.  If, for example, the carmakers have basically shut down by fall of 2008, and are just working off huge inventories, then you are not going to see more factory closings and further reductions in production (how do you reduce production below zero?). The same can be said about unemployment, although here there is another twist or two.  Yes, the huge layoffs that saw the number of new unemployed jumping by 6-700,000 per month in the early part of this year seem to be over, and now new unemployment is rising by “just” 500,000 a month or so, but that’s because all the major employers have already shut down or shut down entire shifts. There are not that many people who can be laid off any more, at least in large groups. This gets painted as “the pace of layoffs is slowing” as if that’s good news, but it is the opposite.

But there is more trickery and misinformation regarding unemployment statistics, too. One has to do with the oft-noted claim that the number of people collecting unemployment benefits is declining—especially the long-term unemployed.  But the reason for this is not that people are finally finding jobs. It’s that unemployment benefits are being exhausted.  The upper limit for collecting unemployment benefits in the US is 79 weeks, and that’s only in some states where unemployment is particularly high. In other states it is 72 weeks or even as low as 59 weeks. 

Also, unemployment benefits, which reportedly average $300/week, but can be a lot less depending upon where a particular person worked and what state he or she lives in, are lost if a person does some part-time work, and since nobody can support a family on $300 a week, many people on unemployment end up getting part-time jobs and lose their unemployment benefits. That’s not a good sign either.

Finally, unemployment benefits only cover about half of American workers. The rest, because they have already only been able to find part-time jobs, or because they’ve been working “off the books,” or because they are so-called “independent contractors”—people like gardeners, freelance writers, lawyers, consultants, plumbers, etc.—aren’t covered by unemployment insurance. When they get laid off, they are on their own.  And increasingly, the layoffs and job losses in this declining economy are falling on people in that category.  The early lay-offs were done by managements of big companies which looked ahead, saw the downturn, and implemented “cost-cutting” measures, which meant slashing production and laying off workers.  Independent workers and small businesses, whose owners are personally hit when they have to shut down production or operations, have struggled to stay in business as long as possible, but are now entering the jobless rolls at an accelerating rate.

But, and here’s a crucial point, many of them simply don’t get recorded by the government statisticians as being unemployed. Anyone who works even a few hours a week at some odd job, or for free in a family business, is not counted. Anyone who sees no job prospects out there and just gives up isn’t counted.  Anyone who finds a half-time job, but needs a full-time job is counted as employed.  It didn’t use to be this way. In a more honest time, more than three decades ago, such people were counted as unemployed, but politicians pushed to have them excluded to keep the official unemployment numbers looking lower. If all such people were added to the unemployment numbers we would have unemployment in the US at over 18 percent, and possibly closer to 20 percent. That’s one in five Americans out of work.

And remember, even though we are now in an economy that is functioning at a depressed level, it is still in decline, and those unemployment numbers are rising, not stabilizing. Put that together with the fact that Americans collectively have lost $14 trillion in wealth. They’ve lost invested savings, which are still down almost 20 percent from where they were a year ago, and don’t appear likely to recover any time soon. (Remember, even if the stock market falls 40 percent and then rises 40%, it will still be down. 

Consider: If you had $1000 invested in a broad index like the S&P, and it dropped 40% as happened last fall, you lost $400, and have just $600. If the market then recovered 40%, though, which it hasn’t by a long shot, you only gain 40% of $600, or $240, so your portfolio is still only back to $840.)  That $14 trillion also includes the lost value of people’s homes, which until 2008 were being used to prop up living standards as people borrowed on the rising equity in their property.  With housing values in much of the country now down anywhere from 20% to 80%, many homes are now worth less than the amount of money still owed on people’s mortgages. They can’t sell, and often, they can’t pay the mortgage check.

Where is the consumer spending supposed to come from that used to represent a whopping 70% of economic activity in a United States that long ago stopped making things? The answer is: nowhere. The amount of lost wealth makes a joke of the celebrated Obama stimulus plan, which was less than $1 trillion, and which is spread out over two years. There is simply no money to rekindle the orgy of consumer spending that kept the US economy afloat for so long.

People can’t even borrow if they want to. Banks are not lending, because they know that the happy talk is nonsense, and they don’t want to loan money to people and businesses that are liable to go belly up as the recession continues.  That’s why card companies like American Express and many Visa and MasterCard issuers, instead of just charging a late charge when card-holders miss a monthly payment deadline as in the past, are now just jacking up the interest rate they charge, --in American Express’s case to 28% or over 2% a month! That’s not the action of a bank that is expecting to get repaid by a valued customer—it’s the extortionate action of a usurer that wants to extract as much money as possible from a borrower that it expects to have go bust. 

Banks are canceling personal and business credit lines right and left too, making a joke of the Obama administration’s claim that it bailed out the banks so that they would “start lending again.” Even the happy talk story about housing sales improving is misleading. The reason it is happening is that so many homes have foreclosed that the sale of foreclosed homes by banks is now a significant part of the total housing market. Again and again, much of the “happy talk” we hear, if examined closely, turns out to be bad news being misinterpreted, often deliberately.

Finally, it should be added that because of massive unemployment, which is approaching levels not seen since the Great Depression, and because of the massive loss of personal wealth, this recession is not likely to act like any of the other recessions of the post-World War II era. These have all been “U” or “V”-shaped affairs, where economic activity would either drop and then, after lingering at a low level for a while, recover at an accelerating rate, as in a “U”, or plunge precipitously to a sharp bottom and then quickly recover, as in a “V”. 

This time, we are more likely to see an “L”-shaped recession, where the economy hits bottom at some point, and then operates for years at a much lower level.  That lower part of that “L” might rise slowly, but it wouldn’t rise by much.  In this case, we would see continued high levels of unemployment, lower wages, and no bounce-back in personal wealth. So if we want to make the correct policy decisions, not to mention the right political decisions and personal financial and basic life decisions, let’s cut the happy talk, and start keeping it real.




All About Picking Losers as Winners: Interview With Bob Feinberg
To gain some perspective on goings on in Washington, we return to our old friend Robert Feinberg, who reports on the financial services industry for his private clients. If you did not read our March 2008 interview with Bob, when he predicted much of the financial crisis and in particular Washington's embrace of the government sponsored entity or "GSE" as the preferred business model, please click this link:  "GSE Nation: Interview with Robert Feinberg."

The IRA: Thanks for making time to talk to us this week. You are usually sitting in a hearing room somewhere, so you are not an easy man to find.

Feinberg: That's on purpose. To say that I don't like mobile devices is an understatement. Eventually these things will be implanted in our brains. In the meantime they are just destroying our brains.

The IRA: We look at them as a necessary vice, but always with a view to letting the battery die on weekends.

Feinberg:  That's why they're called de-vices. 

The IRA:  So give us your view of the world after the first however many days of Barack Obama in the White House.

Feinberg: I see Obama as very reminiscent of both JFK and Jimmy Carter. Neither was prepared to do the heavy legislative lifting that we see going on now. By the time that JFK went to Dallas, his calls were no longer being returned and there were problems in the party -- not unlike what we see developing now. He was someone who really did not have a lot of national experience, having served only briefly in the Senate. The relationship to Carter is that Obama basically has experience at the state and local levels, which is reflected in his preference for town hall venues. The last election featured someone with little experience, Obama, versus someone with a lifetime of experience, John McCain (R-AZ), from which he either hasn't learned much. Maybe a better way to say it is that we don't know what McCain learnt.

The IRA: Yes Obama seems to be operating on a continuous campaign format. Reminds us of Vicente Fox in Mexico. Great campaigner, lousy manager.

Feinberg: Bill Clinton perfected the continuous campaign, but consider the Carter metaphor further. His legislative operation never got off the ground at all, ditto Obama so far. The Democrat leadership is driving the process. This is not to say that the Republicans will be able to take advantage of this. I think it is possible that Obama could face a self-financed independent candidate in 2012 a la Mike Bloomberg with the Republicans finishing third.

The IRA: Isn't it remarkable that the legacy of the Bush family has been to now twice leave the GOP in complete disarray? Our friend and mentor Noel Parmentel wrote in The Nation in 1993 that the GOP is "the stupidest party," this when Ross Perot was preparing to pluck the prize from Bob Dole. He actually borrowed the phrase from John Stuart Mill. If you consider the choice of McCain-Palin in the context of earlier Republican tickets like Dole, ending up with eight years of GWB makes some sense. So there is no sign that the Republican disintegration is ending? Do you see a leveraged buyout of the GOP by an outsider in the image of Perot as a possibility?

Feinberg: I've seen that quote attributed to Disraeli. Or maybe it was Yogi Berra. It's a shame so many of the best quotes were taken before our time. It seems that Mill has a quote for all occasions. My favorite is a quote I saw on a poster opposing a third term for FDR. It went something like, "A people may desire Freedom. But if they can be induced to lay their Liberty at the feet of even a Great Man, they will not long enjoy it." However, I've never been able to find the quote in such a pithy form.

No buyout is in prospect; more like a sellout. Not that the Bush People cared about the party, any more than Ike did, or Nixon did, or Ford did. My favorite slogan from the Dole campaign was "Dole IS 96." The Bushes hijacked the party and turned it into a family enterprise. They had the opportunity to do this because Reagan, apparently at the behest of Richard Allen, picked GHW Bush after negotiations for a co-presidency with Ford spectacularly, and fortunately, fell through. The GOP has been disintegrating for a while, and it is continuing. If you look at what they're doing on a day-to-day basis, as I do, you see that Republicans mouth the talking points of the bankers and health insurers. After a previous episode of the Financial Crisis, the Republicans opposed assessing deposit insurance premiums because the industry didn't want them.  They said higher premiums would reduce the availability of credit.

The IRA:  Nothing like a bank solvency crisis to boost lending.

Feinberg:  I had a chance to talk to Chuck Schumer (D-NY) at one of his book presentations last Fall and pointed out that the Democrats won't have the Republicans to blame anymore. You see a reflexive tendency by Obama and the Democrats, though not necessarily Schumer, to blame the Republicans, to use them as a foil. Schumer told me that he knew that the Democrats would have a great opportunity, but he worried that they would not take full advantage of it.  Now we seem to be in that circumstance.  Today, the Republicans are a non-factor. Historically they have played the role of the Washington Generals to the Democrats Harlem Globetrotters.

The IRA: It sounds strangely like the political devolution visible in nations of the Americas like Venezuela, where the incumbent derechista tendency eventually collapses and flees the country, leaving the authoritarian left with a monopoly. But we still prefer Italy under Berlusconi for political metaphors about a future America. What happens to the Democrats in this scenario? Do they eventually split?

Feinberg:  My model is Argentina.  Under my scenario, Hillary was going to play Evita. The Democrats already have two parties within the greater whole, the so-called progressives and the Wall Street wing.  Eventually the progessives must rebel or just go away.  A year ago I ran into Bill Grieder and suggested that the Democrats were really going to owe the Wall Street crowd because Schumer and Ramm Emanuel had put together this tremendous victory in 2006 that presaged 2008 using Wall Street money.   He refused to acknowledge that, so already the line was being drawn.  But now look at how the progressives are complaining about the "conservative" tendencies of the Obama Administration and their ties to Wall Street.

The IRA:  So given that Wall Street owns Barack Obama, what happens with regulatory reform? You have been telling us that the reform proposal was DOA, but that something would or could come out of the process given unforeseen externalities.   Is that still the case?

Feinberg: There is something to be said about this. A while back, I realized that I had to come up with a new way of saying that the reform legislation was dead-on-arrival. The key from a journalistic standpoint is to be able to do that when you need to. So I came up with the concept of a Zombie proposal, like a Zombie bank. The reform staggers around in a state of essential death, one that can come back to life at any time, which is what happened with Sarbanes-Oxley in 2002.  But there could be some kind of a disaster anytime from tomorrow to a year from now that will create a mad dash to get something into law.  The odds of that occurring are pretty good. So people should pay attention to what is going on here as arguments are made and provisions are drafted. Interest groups are gaining and losing ground as we speak.

The IRA: So does another surprise like needing to inject tens of billions more public funds into AIG, for example, provide the catalyst for a stampede?

Feinberg: Some type of systemic failure or the failure of a Treasury bond auction will suffice.  By the way, you seem to have thoroughly confused everyone on Capitol Hill by saying in your testimony that we can't measure Systemic Risk. Now everyone is saying that. The other day they had a whole panel, and none of them could define it beyond an institution capable of bringing down the system through its misadventures.  Years ago, an anthropology professor at Penn named Anthony F. C. Wallace coined the term Disaster-Prone Organization in his book St Clair. He was talking about the coal industry.

The IRA: Ha! Well, objectively speaking, Systemic Risk is like fear. No way to describe or measure that with objective means. What we have said consistently is that if you increase transparency and lower "hidden" leverage, Systemic Risk goes away. Alan Blinder and others are wrong to say that there is no choice save giving the Fed more power when it comes to Systemic Risk. The clear choice is to compel the Fed to do its job as regulator, lessen leverage and increase transparency, then Systemic Risk will disappear.

Feinberg: "We have nothing to fear but Systemic Risk itself." Not very catchy.  It's a classic case of regulators who failed demanding more power. The SEC did that after the mutual fund scandals, saying that if they had authority over hedge funds, they could see around corners and identify problems. A classic case is when W said we missed 9/11 because we didn't have a Department of Homeland Security.

The IRA: Well, people forget that risk management is about looking ahead; to identify risks and then implement policies to avoid these risks.  Governments and banks are too worried about the present to be good risk managers.   

Feinberg:  We certainly are not doing anything about risk at present.  Instead, the game is to Restore Confidence in the people and policies that haven't worked for the last forty years or so. Once confidence is restored, the stage is set for the next episode of the crisis.  Our friend Alex Pollock is fond is saying, "A confident investor is a stupid investor." Henry Kaufman dates the beginning of this crisis to 1966. It's pretty clear watching the financial press that nobody is paying the slightest attention to risk reduction in the markets. On the contrary, with short-term rates so low thanks to the Fed, investors have no choice but to reach for risk. I'm reminded of the headline in The Onion: "American People Demand New Bubble To Invest In."

Here's one sleeper issue:  Senator John Warner (D-VA) has been saying that any systemic solution must be pre-funded like SIPC and previous industry self-insurance efforts. It has also been suggested by others that SIPC needs to be beefed up with some sort of FDIC-like examination function. But obviously, if the markets believed that the industry would have to pay its way, we would never have seen the huge rally in banks stocks that occurred from the end of the first quarter until today. Even as we talk about Systemic Risk, the Fed and other authorities are working to create a new bubble in securities markets fueled with public money. The confidence of the markets in this arrangement is badly misplaced, in my view, and is simply another case of Irrational Exuberance, courtesy of the authorities. 

Whenever the Fed decides to slip the Yield Curve again, they create a panic to get into financials. It actually damages the economy, because it distorts incentives and keeps the Zombie banks pumped up on steroids when they need to be shrunk to maybe a fraction of their bloated size. A host on CNBC's "Squawk Box" observed recently that banks really don't do very much, and Greenspan once told Senate Banking that some people would say banks exist only to feed off of the Yield Curve.  This strategy is described as, "Borrow short, buy anything." One of the Lessons Learned from the S&L crisis was supposed to be not to do this, but no less a personage than Bill Isaac told an SEC roundtable that this is what banks do. My way of formulating this is that we can have the Zombie banks, or we can have the economy, but we can't have both.

The IRA: Yes, and all of this even as the fundamentals of the industry are under more stress than at any time in half a century. As we told subscribers to the IRA Advisory Service last week, maybe financials will have a different tenor when Capitol One Financial (NYSE:COF) is reporting double digit charge-offs and some of the large money centers are in high single digits. Do you sense that any of the Democrats other than say Schumer understand how fragile is the condition of the credit standing of the US? We watch the Obama Administration proposing to increase spending on health care and to increase the government's funding needs in the debt markets, thus the question.

Feinberg: Among the members there is not much discussion of anything besides stimulus measures. I say that what they're trying to do is to "simulate" the economy.  This is what Larry Kudlow proposed at the last meeting of CMRE we were allowed to attend. He wanted to steepen the Yield Curve to help re-elect W by restoring pricing power, so that the economy would look healthy. It was another version of putting lipstick on a pig. One difficulty for the Democrats is that they are dealing with an honest regulator in the Congressional Budget Office. Alice Rivlin created an ethic at that agency of putting out honest numbers. The CBO has said that the Obama reforms do not change the cost curve in the health care really.

Likewise, the Obama regulatory reforms for financial services do not really change anything in the industry.  Look at how we are not dealing with the GSEs like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, a circumstance we warned about back in 2004 or 2005.  Congress created a World Class Regulator who certified the GSEs as Well Capitalized. The result is a financial sinkhole that will require hundreds of billions of dollars in public subsidies for years. I have come up with a formula that links the cost of these bailouts with the decline in asset values. I so warned the Reagan transition team, keep in mind.

Since then, we have been through four different episodes of crisis. Each time, the cost to the taxpayer goes up by an order of magnitude and the value of collateral goes down to a similar extent. Now we are into the range of $10-20 trillion in public claims as opposed to the billions we talked about under as Reagan, Don Regan and our friend Peter Wallison at AEI were taking office. Now a good deal of the collateral is worthless. We achieved this in just two decades. In fact, Special Treasury Department Inspector General to oversee the Troubled Assets Relief Program, Neil Barofsky, has even jumped ahead of IRA and our friend Nouriel Roubini in terms of estimating the maximum cost of this cycle.

The IRA: The numbers we are seeing from Charlie Biderman and other surveys on delinquencies in residential and commercial real estate are in low double digits and rising, while the banks are showing aggregate NPLs for the industry of 2.5%.  Eventually these two lines must cross.  First with the GSEs and now the banks, the regulators are employing forbearance with respect to recognizing bank losses and this will further reduce liquidity and the ability of banks to lend.  By forebearing on closing Zombie banks, we are turning the banking industry into REITs.

Feinberg:  That will suit the housing industry just fine.  Another interesting data point came from Joe Mason the other day, when he pointed out that housing is still being built in many cases in competition with collateral that is coming onto the market.  He said this is happening in places two and a half hours drive from major cities that are remote from public transportation and other services where no one would want to live.

The IRA: We have reported this.  The Democrats would rather subsidize homebuilders than allow the real estate market to find a bottom more quickly.   

Feinberg: That's why we call it the Housing Industrial Complex. The realtors, the suppliers, the builders represent a big slice of Americana that commands immediate and constant response from both parties. Also, people who work in various segments of the industry have populated Congress and state legislatures to an extent that hasn't been noticed or reported. A realtor, for example, is perfectly situated to run for Congress.  All she has to do is change the legend on her lawn signs from Buy to Vote.

The IRA: Well, how do you think the Democrats will respond when home prices fall another 10-20% nationally, in part because states such as CA are subsidizing homebuilders who are adding units to a saturated, liquidation market?  Between the shadow inventory of unsold homes and the mounting foreclosure backlog, there is no place for prices to go but lower in many markets.

Feinberg: We can answer that because it is already happening. The Congress is assembling a number of patchwork proposals to prop up the housing industry. I have not seen the letter yet but it was placed in a hearing record last week by the ranking Republican on the House Financial Services Committee, Rep. Spencer Bachus (R-AL). The effort could include things like accounting rules changes for so-called legacy assets, extending the period banks can hold REO, and jawboning the government to buy some of this toxic waste. Notice that Barney Frank (D-MA) and Gary G. Miller (R-CA), a former real estate developer, both took credit for taking measures early in the year to help housing and the banks by loosening the Mark to Market rules, so we are getting ready to do that again.  There will be various efforts to buy bad assets from the banks above market via TALF, etc.

The IRA: The TALF has hardly been a success. And the banks are giving back their TARP money to qualify for bonus season - this so that they can become political targets next year. You really have to be impressed with the political acumen of the largest banks, especially Goldman Sachs (NYSE:GS).

Feinberg: Sen. Bob Corker (R-TN) has accused the administration of perpetually extending the TARP, so that its bureaucrats can prop up Zombie banks indefinitely. This would enable the Obama Administration to pick friendly winners and losers among the financials. Actually what they are doing is picking losers as winners. The cost of this will grow yet again if Joe Mason, Susan Wachter, Josh Rosner, you folks at IRA and others are right about the magnitude of the next wave of foreclosures due to schedules resets of option ARMs and mortgages hitting their maximum permissible LTV ratios.  Don't worry, though. If this causes the market to crater, my prediction is that the TARP or TALF will start buying stocks before next November.

The IRA: So what happens with health care reform?

Feinberg: There is a remarkable commonality between financial regulatory reform and health care because both are languishing. The cynic in me - and I am never cynical enough - is still having a hard time coming to terms with the policy of combining Zombie banks and investment firms into ever larger entities. During the S&L crisis these were known as "phoenixes."  We were told that "It Would Never Happen Again."  At that time, I predicted it would happen.  On the day Hank Paulson was appointed Treasury Secretary, I said there's a problem at Goldman, and we don't know what it is, but we're going to find out. Turns out it was AIG.

The cynical way to look at Washington is as a parallel universe after the Orwellian model.  We can also use such examples to predict the form of future crises. The Obama Administration has picked up the mantra of the US banking industry being the "backbone of the economy," but in reality I think it is the inflamed appendix that threatens the life of the patient. We have been told that these Zombies are healthy and will be restored to their former glory. If this is the case, why is it that the largest banks are the worst run and that they failed to build capital during the longest expansion the economy has ever seen?

The IRA: We'll have to ask Chairman Bernanke that next time we speak to him.  Thanks Bob.


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Anonymous said...

Ilargi has stated before that he does not agree with Prechter.

Why does Stoneliegh have his book recommended?

Anonymous said...

1. Stoneleigh answered this question last week.

2. Rubin, see this blog on peak oil at Seeking Alpha: http://seekingalpha.com/instablog/239719-james-quinn/20742-buy-a-hybrid-peak-oil-is-here#comment-614821

3. Seeing the train picture brings up a huge beef I have with the Obama administration: I sure wish he'd resell building out our train infrastructure while it's cheap to do so in preparation for higher energy costs in the future. That would have been a much better use of the 3MMM used for Cash For Clunkers.

John said...

Interesting text & photo. You have a nice blog. Keep it up!

Anonymous said...

Wow. You Peak Oilers are really dedicated. Have at it.

http://peakoildebunked.blogspot.com/

Greyzone said...

Yesteday Robert Rubin said: "I am not an adherent to peak oil. Not to be contrary but I do not see any hard data to show that the supply of oil cannot meet future demand, if even at a higher price. Much of the oceans remain unexplored as is much of Iraq, Africa, Russia (Siberia). Information appreciated."

Your assumptions about the state of oceanic, Iraqi, Russian, and African exploration demonstrate lack of knowledge of the subject matter (petroleum exploration). Please spend some time studying this matter. Those regions are all fairly thoroughly explored. The last region to be explored in depth is the Eurasian region of the FSU, which is now listed as several independent Muslim states. A few discoveries have occurred there but on the scale of global discoveries, they are not large at all.


Also, please review World Oil Discoveries. The peak of global oil discoveries occurred decades ago. There is the occasional rare blip upwards on the discovery chart but we're not discovering any more Ghawars or Cantrells.

Further, people fail to understand how totally the large fields dominate global oil production. There are nearly 50,000 active oil fields in the world today. Just 20 of them provide 20% of the entire supply. The top 500 fields supply over 65% of the entire supply. And all but one or two of these giant and supergiant fields is in decline. To compensate for the giants and supergiants, we would have to discover 75,000 of the more conventional sized fields - almost 50% more than are currently in active production. Worse, these smaller fields deplete in 9-12 years typically where the giants and super giants take decades to deplete. So you not only have to discover 75000 additional fields, you have to do it every decade, forever.

Oil must be replaced. It cannot continue much longer as a primary fuel for our civilization. Unfortunately none of the alternatives has the energy density, ease of handling/transport, and relative safety factor of petroleum.

You are free to believe whatever you wish to believe. The universe, of course, is not obliged to pay one whit to your beliefs. Events will unfold as they will. You can either recognize reality or try to deny it. Denying it doesn't work as a long term solution.

Anonymous said...

There are four problems with the doomer. peak oiler nonsense:

http://peakoildebunked.blogspot.com/2006/07/307-confessions-of-ex-doomer.html

Anonymous said...

To anon at 2:43: I looked at your site. Even the author thinks we are at or near peak oil--he just thinks that the alternatives can be made to work. But the issue isn't just energy--it's cheap, dense, transportable energy. The mere *expense* of increasingly dear oil will transform society. Last fall, when gasoline in the US cost $4/gallon, did you see changes in behavior? What if cost $8? What if the cost of fertilizer was fivefold? Or plastic? What will it be like when we have to rely on increasing amounts of coal, and its attendant pollution? Life is not over when we run out of *easy* oil, but it will be different, and it will certainly be less fun for the poor.

Anonymous said...

I began to see the doomer viewpoint for what it is: dogma. A dogma is something you have to believe, without questioning it. And I began to see the hidden agenda of the powerdowners, namely, to bring about their utopian vision of the neo-agrarian society, no doubt with themselves its leaders. They know that most people won't willingly accept a return to centuries past, because most people are like me. We like our modern first-world lives! Some of us wish more people in the world could have the same lifestyle, even if it means sharing what's available a bit better. But if people can be convinced that a powerdown is as unavoidable as gravity, they may bring it about simply by surrendering to it and not looking for alternatives. Scratch the surface of the powerdowner philosophy, and you'll find Marxism dressed up in radical environmentalism.

The doomers may or may not be correct about our inability to switch the energy basis of our civilization, but their case is far from proven. The mere fact that people are debating what to do shows that a lot of people (even the doomers) don't believe the future is totally out of our hands. The track record of doomsday forecasts is poor - no one can really know the future. The smug certaintly of the doomers that they've got all the answers is what finally shook me out from their midst. The doomers are right about one thing - fossil energy sources aren't going to see us through the 21rst century. But if we don't change course soon, the way forward isn't going to be an agrarian utopia. It will be powered, at least in the US and for the remainder of my life, by coal. The environmental effects of that (primarily sea level rise from global warming) aren't the legacy I want to leave to future generations.

http://peakoildebunked.blogspot.com/2006/07/307-confessions-of-ex-doomer.html

Bravo!

Anonymous said...

anon @3am you are exactly the type of person that author warns of. Lord pathetic and predictable.

Anonymous said...

I used to work in the oil field service industry, and was familiar with my own employer's projections. And based on those projections, oil will be increasingly hard (and thus more expensive) to find and produce. What is the source of your data? Your article *concedes* peak oil--but suggests that coal is the answer. Can you deploy coal as motor fuel at the same price point?

Anonymous said...

anon 3:14 I am the CEO of an oil company and I say you are wrong.

Anonymous said...

The funny thing about this peak oil, doomer discussion is that it exposes just how heavily the thinking of ilargi and stoneleigh is by the fatalism of peak oil. They have disregarded peak oil as a future problem, but have instead focused on something else as the harbinger of destruction. They post anonymously for the simple reason that if they turn out to be very wrong, and since their predictions are so dire they would be VERY wrong, then they lose ALL credibility. Thus if and when they turn out to be wrong they can simply move on the next avenue of discussion on the next big thing that marks the end of the world. Ingenious really. Whether deliberately or inadvertently, this site has also attracted certain cultist adherents who latch onto everything espoused by the hosts like mindless zombies following a political/religious dogma. Posts that disagree or that point this out are immediately cried down with vitriol befitting an intellectual peon. Alternatively, the nervous paranoia personality can come out where the offending poster is labeled a plant, an infiltrator or some other paranoia induced label. All of this said, I fully expect some of the posters to come after me, which will ironically prove my point. Let me save the morons the trouble and just point out that I am a nobody in the grand scheme of things.

Anonymous said...

To anon at 3:20, this is anon at 3:14:

What kind of oil company? US domestic producer? International producer? Trader?

What do you expect "break even" point must be to find-and-produce new reserves now? Five years from now?

Anonymous said...

Please take this oil discusion somewhere else.

Anonymous said...

@head-in-sand-while-shouting-"we'll have out cheap energy slaves forever and ever"-anon:

Start your own blog instead of polluting this one?

Anonymous said...

@self: our*

RC said...

The Return of the Anonymi. Cue the off key violin section.

el gallinazo said...

I think that the RNC is bringing them in in electronic buses :-)

Coy Ote said...

Dick said, "Look, their's a cliff ahead, we're off the road, no pavement. See that "dead end" sign? Look at the guardrail. Let's prepare to stop. See Spot run!Stop!"

Jane said "Oh Dick, you sound just like one of those doomers."

Ilargi said...

Darwin anonymously created the world 6000 years ago from the corpses of abiotic dinosaurs. Stoneleigh and Ilargi have been dead (and?) wrong ever since the inception of TAE in 1859.

They say everything can be replaced,
Yet every distance is not near.
So I remember every face
Of every man who put me here.

Standing next to me in this lonely crowd,
Is a man who swears he's not to blame.
All day long i hear him shout so loud,
Crying out that he was framed.

Any day now, any day now, they shall be revealed.

Coy Ote said...

Gold and silver warming up. Could portend another flash in the dark sky.

http://www.kitco.com/charts/livesilver.html

BDI curling back down as well. Is fall coming early?

http://tinyurl.com/ccrebo

nobody2 said...

Most of what you say below is true, but what does it have to do with a blog decrying political corruption and looting?


"The doomers may or may not be correct about our inability to switch the energy basis of our civilization, but their case is far from proven. The mere fact that people are debating what to do shows that a lot of people (even the doomers) don't believe the future is totally out of our hands. The track record of doomsday forecasts is poor - no one can really know the future. The smug certaintly of the doomers that they've got all the answers is what finally shook me out from their midst. The doomers are right about one thing - fossil energy sources aren't going to see us through the 21rst century. But if we don't change course soon, the way forward isn't going to be an agrarian utopia. It will be powered, at least in the US and for the remainder of my life, by coal. The environmental effects of that (primarily sea level rise from global warming) aren't the legacy I want to leave to future generations."

el gallinazo said...

Gut feeling on PM's based on nothing:

I see PM surging this fall as the collapse commences. The lucky or crafty ones who are close to the exits in the equities market when the curtains catch fire (my movie group watched Elmer Gantry recently) will tend to invest in gold and to a lesser extent silver, out of shear panic flight to safety. I think the crash, in a Wile E. Coyote moment, will catalyze a huge acceleration in deleveraging. As Stoneleigh is wont to point out, in a deflation you can only sell what people with money want, so the first things that the big institutions will try to sell off to meet margin calls will be PM's. In the months following the fall crash we will discover that paper gold ETF's are largely just that - paper.

So we have a lot of factors working in both directions on PM. Panic and the discovery that a lot of paper gold is just paper supporting prices of the real metals. Margin calls forcing fire sales. I think that six months after the crash pricing will be considerably lower than they are today.

Anonymous said...

C.A. Fitts has on occasion quoted some gangster who reputedly said "make a law, make a business".

Law certainly sheltered Fannie and Freddie and boondoggles like Star Wars Missile Defense, all refuges of long term looting and fraud.

Freddy el Desfibradddor said...

On this anniversary of the use of nuclear explosives to kill large numbers of civilians, I'd like to direct the reader's attention to Daniel Ellsberg's article about how he was in a class full of ninth graders, in 1944, who wrote term papers about the implications of a U-235 bomb:

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20090805_hiroshima_day_america_has_been_asleep_at_the_wheel_for_64_years/

And speaking of schoolchildren, Truthdig also reposts a column from two years ago by Robert Scheer, which begins:

"During a week of mayhem in Iraq, in which terrorists have rightly been condemned for targeting schoolchildren, it is sobering to recall that this week is also the 62nd anniversary of a U.S. attack that deliberately took the lives of thousands of children on their way to school in the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki."

In the words of one of the few survivors of a much more labor-intensive incineration of a city (I refer to Kurt Vonnegut's survival of the fire bombing of Dresden): And so it goes.


May the Creative Forces of the Universe have mercy on our American souls, if any.



DIYer said...

El G,

I think everything tends to cascade on those really bad days like March 9 or November 20. It didn't matter if you were in unobtaininum, it declined.

Anonymous said...

@Ilargi - 8:17 AM

The day it all comes tumbling down the rabbit-hole..

snuffy said...

That we have "peak-debunker" trolls is a signal we have been put on someones list.Sweet mother of Christ, I get tired of hearing that dreck.Anyone who has the slightest amount of research ability,more than 2 brain cells working in tandom,and is honest,.. can see the writing on the wall.
I love seeing ideological blinders at work,and its amusing as hell when they cause folks to trip over reality...
Its good we are seeing some voices mentioning "the cutains are on fire folk"...and explaining some of the old lessons in the primers here,elsewhere.I&S is there anyway possible to make a cd up of this site?.The hard data here is the best political "rap sheet"I can think of for the coming silly season

Greyzone, you have more patience than I.To carry on a intelligent conversation with someone on a topic requires a certain level of mutual knowledge.these "un-informed commenters" need to spent a day over at TOD to get up to speed on the topic

[Bravo!]Is your handle a self congratulating note on your ignorance?,Or,More likly a reminder to yourself that it will all be ok... if you just keep saying "the doomers are wrong the doomers are wrong"as you walk through the graveyards of American dreams that is our true reality now...

Which is it?

snuffy

Anonymous said...

I see we have a bevy of Ayatollah Anonymis today

DFD (Devoted fanatics of denial)

They will be sad puppies when they find out the Earth doesn't realy have a creamy nougat center of thick rich snarkilious oil. :<

Anonymous said...

I see the Cornucopian Troll Trolly dumped a load here today.

They remind me of the guy described in yesterday's post with their shoes on fire out on the lava fields.

I wonder how fast they can run when they finally discover their shoes are on fire, not just the curtains!

hahaa

What a Maroon

rumor said...

A well-put nutshell, at the end of the last article/interview in today's Rattle:

The cynical way to look at Washington is as a parallel universe after the Orwellian model. We can also use such examples to predict the form of future crises. The Obama Administration has picked up the mantra of the US banking industry being the "backbone of the economy," but in reality I think it is the inflamed appendix that threatens the life of the patient. We have been told that these Zombies are healthy and will be restored to their former glory. If this is the case, why is it that the largest banks are the worst run and that they failed to build capital during the longest expansion the economy has ever seen?

Chaos said...

Those who want to reinvent the wheel and keep referring to JD's PO-debunked site should just go directly to TOD and peruse the archives. This is old stuff, and not entertaining to revisit.

el gallinazo said...

They may not be a stupid as they seem. I m not stating this as a fact, but there is a meaningful possibility that some of them are being paid by the word.

My favorite is the heavy breather, Rubert the Usurper. He is not worth the time, but I believe that if I did a word check a couple of days ago, he would have comprised more than half the comment section. The part I liked most, and I hear it in the Southern accent of Blanche DuBois, "Would some of you big, strong, hairy men please explain peak oil to me?"

Yeah, I need a refresher course. If anyone here has two or three minutes to spare, could you fill me in on quantum mechanics from Planck to Schroedinger?

Bigelow said...

@el g

The mechanics from Quantum are here with some plancks for your Schroedinger, where do you want them?

Anonymous said...

Better a Tinfoil Doomer Hat with binoculars, than a Chihuahua nipping at the heels of reality.

But here is an up close look at real Doomer ( Dustin Hoffman) giving a know-it-all Bravo Man( General Custer) the best advice he ever received. Of course, he took him up on it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWGAdzn5_KU

Aesthete

tod's dog said...

Anonymous said...

...They have disregarded peak oil as a future problem....

Let Frankie tell you what our immediate problem is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YprQnzRfjg&feature=related

WARNING: This is not amusing. Proceed with caution.

CS said...

..for me there was one useful thing to come out of TOD...they made me aware of TAE!

Nah, but seriously...whilst they are like a dog with a bone re peak oil (Gail, you're an actuary, sort it out love), they have posted some interesting studies about the viability of 'standing on your own two feet' under all manner of stresses and strains.

I found these useful when looking at what happens when a country is ostracized. In the Kubler-Ross model it stops endless 'bargaining' and what-if cycles.

There was a study of sunshine falling on the land vs calories it's feasible to produce which gave an indication of sustainable populations (NPK not withstanding) for example.

Bottom line is we've allowed a population to develop that is totally dependent upon borrowed sunshine. We're now in the Doldrums. And it's raining.

scandia said...

Just reading a blurb on the new head Of Nato's meeting with Karzai and his( Rasmussen) vow to keep civilian casualties to minimum. What number would that be?
Just had a useful idea! For every casualty of civilians in USA/Allies occupation of foreign countries the same number will be put to death in the home countries. If Canada kills 30 at an Afgan wedding, for instance, then we have to kill 30 wedding guest civilians at home. That should ratchet up accountability and provide incentive for peace negotiations.
I would also recommend that Embassy staff be accountable under the laws of the country in which an Embassy has been established.
That should handicap the economic hit men roaming the planet, destroying the rain forest etc....
Lastly before I start my day, I read that Bill Clinton was the new ambassador to Haiti? If so what's he doing in N. Korea? Guess hanging out in Haiti isn't fun.

Grisu said...

el g,
re PM gut feeling

may be you're right and cash pricing will be somewhat lower after the crash,but does it really matter?

a hundred years ago,you could get a
room in a good hotel in switzerland
for a vreneli(swiss 20 fr.gold coin)
as you can today.

a hundred years ago,you could get a good suit for an ounce of gold,as you can today.

i didn't convert part of my fiat-money into silver and gold as
an investment but as a bet,that is
enough fellow slightly-clever pant-
wearing monkeys will in the future,
as they have in the past,consider
shiny objects worth trading for food, shelter and so on.

as you mentioned the weight-problem
with silver a few days ago,you might want to have a look into small gold collectors coins.they
often have only a small premium on the pure gold price.

jewishfarmer said...

On the assumption (perhaps not valid, but perhaps still worth making for educational purposes) that at least some of anonymi are sincere, I have to take issue with the statement that doomsayer predictions have a long history of being wrong, and are generally so.

It is really only possible to make that claim with a very, very short and geographically narrow view of human history. That is, it is possible to say that most rich world denizens who have predicted disaster for other rich world denizens within the last 50 years, barring a few exceptions, and for most North Americans within the last 70 years, this is true.

However, this is not true for almost any other sustained period of history or in any other society. Think back to your grandparents or great grandparents - those that were lucky enough to live 80 years or so, how many of them had a stable, non-dangerous,never-disastrous situation in their lives for that whole period? I can look at my grandparents, and my husband's - let's see, lost a parent in the Jewish ghetto, was kindertransported out of Germany as a child, left as a virtual slave, bombed, went hungry and homeless during the bombing of London. Next, sent off to war, saw his family's home destroyed by bombs and his brother killed during same bombing. On my husband's other side, lost both parents to a pogrom and older sister, escaped Russia by the skin of his teeth, lost first wife and child to disease outbreak. Second wife had a relatively peaceful time.

Let's see, my grandparents - one grandmother endured the Depression on an Indian Reservation, nearly starved to death, saw people in her family actually die of malnutrition related illnesses, was taken eventually from her parents and put in a child's lite version of a concentration camp - an Indian "school" at which a surprising number of children ended up dead and most of the others were beaten, raped and abused chronically, grandfather was sent to WWI (much older than grandmother), lost an arm there, lost the family farm because he couldn't work it, ended up homeless for a long period, finally. Other grandmother had polio as as a young wife, lost her two children, lost her home in the Depression, lost her husband to WWII, remarried a guy whose mother had slipped him out of Poland and lost most of her family in the camps... Gypsy not Jewish, same difference in terms of living relatives...

The belief in relative stability, the belief that those who say something bad is happening are all wrong depends on a view of history that erases the reality that disaster is normal, it is part of everyday life in almost all lives. Those brief periods of security always seem normal - I'm sure that the British peasants in 1065 thought that things would never change anyway. And I'm sure at least a few of them thought that they would.

Sharon

rumor said...

You put it better than I could have, Sharon. Thanks for the post.

Anonymous said...

NEW YORK, Aug 6 (Reuters) - The new bull market in U.S. stocks has begun and possibly started in March, Abby Joseph Cohen, chairwoman of the investment policy committee at Goldman Sachs and Co, said on CNBC on Thursday.
"We do think the new bull market has begun," she said. "It may prove it began in March of this year."
http://tinyurl.com/l6zp7w

Another caravel barker at the circus. May as well have some tunes to go with it.

Entry Of The Gladiators
http://tinyurl.com/bd26a2

CIA Infiltrator said...

I applaud ANON 3:27 AM.

That is a good summary of this blog.

The incessant insistence that any dissent is a sign of infiltration is incredible. El g, just today, said that he thinks people are paid by the number of words. Unbelievable. Self-flattering.

I hope ANON 3:27 AM continues to post here and call bullshit where it is due.

CIA Infiltrator said...

Peak oil was the pin that popped the credit bubble.

Edward Lowe said...

August is heating up right on schedule! Financial panic should start setting in very soon (given the height of euphoria in recent weeks), expect another crash in the fall... Plan accordingly...

Anonymous said...

August is heating up right on schedule! Financial panic should start setting in very soon (given the height of euphoria in recent weeks), expect another crash in the fall... Plan accordingly...

Oh yes.

The sky will be falling.

Run for your lives.

John Hemingway said...

@ anon3:02,
Va bene, no one is perfect, not even our hosts, still, I find what they say interesting. Especially Stoneleigh when she says that "flexibility" (not dogma) will be very important in the months and years to come.

Anonymous said...

Posters here are so predictable. If I want a good laugh all I have to do is post something that makes some of the posters (el galinazo *cough*) go off. Like the paranoid delusionals that they are they cannot resist. Like a crack fiend at the pipe.

Anonymous said...

John the commentators on this site don't seem to be heeding Stoneleigh's warnings then now do they?

Greyzone said...

Anon@12:28 - The sky fell last September. It fell hard enough to destroy trillions of dollars of retirements savings. It is in the process of destroying the entire state of California. Jackson County, Alabama is now financially a disaster zone. And even the Bush administration admits (via Paulson himself) that they feared rioting and the need to impose martial law. How close do you want to come, baby?

So what does the next crash look like, eh? What if they react too slowly and do have to impose martial law? What if they can't even control it and cities burn?

But yeah, everything will be ok, according to you. Nice baseless assertion. No data, just pure assertion. That's about all we ever see from the anon crowd here - bullshit and promises of sunshine. How about you sell your sunshine story to some of those people unemployed for a year or more? Tell me how that lie goes over.

Anonymous said...

Is that why TAE was formed?

Because Stoneleigh and Ilargi became deniers of peak oil?

Anonymous said...

They did leave the tinfoil website the oil drum some time back. I am not sure if they are deniers of peak oil, but they certainly don't view that as the critical issue right now. That said, it is clear that peak oil doom and gloom still influences their thinking.

gregfb said...

I say ignore the trolls. They win when we get angry with their drivel. Like a kerr dog when not fed they will go away.

Anonymous said...

@anon deniers:
Ask yourself:

Why exactly do you bother to post here if you think it's all tin-foil-hats?

Why, especially, do you post here just spamming an opinion without trying to back it with any data, theory or model backing it up?

And what do you call someone trying to convert a mere bunch of fools, if not a greater fool?

Ante, Christ! said...

But yeah, everything will be ok, according to you. Nice baseless assertion. No data, just pure assertion. That's about all we ever see from the anon crowd here - bullshit and promises of sunshine. How about you sell your sunshine story to some of those people unemployed for a year or more? Tell me how that lie goes over.

I didn't say that now did I Greyzone. I am tired of the 'throw up your hands' mentality that breeds on sites like this. You all get backed into your tiny little corner of doom and anything and everything soon becomes a threat. Life is indeed going to be different going forward. But Jesus Christ, you are all like a bunch of ninnies, whining about something you have no control over. Any preps you make to survive might just be for naught if your vision of the future plays out.

What is the ultimate goal of the doom vision? It seems that many are preoccupied with being right, or presenting the hosts as being right more often than they are wrong. Is that what it is about? Is this a place to commiserate with other left wing doomers? Make yourselves feel better?

Life is short my friends. Go take walk, go to the park, go play with your kids. Do what you can to be mentally prepared for what you may think will happen, but always remind yourself that you have no idea what will happen. You can only do so much. You can only say so much. If you remain in the world of dark futures and your present vision becomes dark. It precludes any possibility of making a change. You work yourselves into that dark corner and see nothing but the world closing in on you.

This does not mean I see rosy futures. But it does mean that I hold out a hope that when despair descends, I will have enough strength to lift my head and proceed with the hand that is dealt. Otherwise, I think many of you here who proclaim to be 'ready' or 'prepared' or insist that the future will be like your dommiest dreams, will be the first to lay down in despair when things get rough. You have a tendency to roll over and declare things hopeless. That is the sense I get from the primers here. That is the sense I get from the posters here.

I read here to get news and perspective. But when this perspective is viewed through proper lenses, it looks a bit desperate and hopeless. Which leaves me wondering, what really is the point?

Greyzone said...

No, they did not leave TOD because they deny peak oil. In fact, I can guarantee you that Stoneleigh and Ilargi see peak oil as a problem. But they also saw the financial crisis as a bigger problem so they began writing more about that. Unfortunately this led to disagreements with Prof. G and the other staff at TOD over the direction of the TOD: Canada section which they edited.

Ultimately I&S chose to go their own way and focus on finance because it is the immediate problem. It's even going to make future oil production worse.

But oil is just one of several resource problems we are facing as a species. Almost all of these problems appear solvable but that has NO bearing on whether they will be solved or not. The collapse of past civilizations is proof that just because a path out exists does not mean it will be taken.

So the problems facing homo sapiens globally right now are resource related, lifestyle related, and politically related. Our current lifestyle is very wasteful and probably is going to have to change if we expect to successfully fit several billion people on the planet. Our resource consumption has to change as well, again due to population. But the very largest obstacle standing in the way of those changes is that the political system has to recognize the issues, look for real fixes, and then implement them.

Now given that the political system has to recognize reality first and then change to meet reality (because reality is not going to change for politicians), and given that we've seen anything but a willingness to face reality in the far simpler areas of finance, do you really think we're going to face reality on the topics of resource depletion, freshwater depletion, erosion of arable land, oceanic destruction, and climate change?

Before homo sapiens can address those very real issues, homo sapiens must change itself and its political processes to recognize and respond to these issues. Right now our species behaves in a nearly insane manner, not rationally at all, with regard to everything from finances to real physical problems.

If you talk to a scientist, they'll say they think all of the above problems could be met head on and solved. And I agree with that assessment. But where I disagree is that we lack the political, social, and individual willpower to face reality and adapt to it.

The future is going to be different whether we like it or not. It can be pleasantly different or unpleasantly different. Simply reading history tells me to expect the unpleasant outcome. Anyone who looks at the history of our species in its "civilized" state and who expects otherwise is engaged in wishful thinking.

TLDR: Do I want collapse? No! But do I expect collapse? Unfortunately, yes. And I prepare accordingly.

Anonymous said...

Doofus question: What does PM mean?

Anonymous said...

Ante (don't like the handle by the way) the funny thing is that many of the posters here are probably effete wussies who will roll right over if things get as rough as they say. They are the weak that Darwin refers to in saying survival of the fittest.

You are also correct in nothing that they view everything and everyone that challenges their views of apocalyptic doom as a threat. It is the view borne of paranoia. Sociologically speaking many of the posters here seem like the people that have been relegated to the fringes of society. Thus, out of simple alienation and disillusionment they are attracted to an apocalyptic worldview that allows them to fantasize everybody else being cut down to the same level they are at.

In conclusion, remember that conservatives do not have a stranglehold on hate and envy.

Anonymous said...

Greyzone you are either illiterate or just plain stupid because you can never seem to quote people properly. When did anyone here claim Ilargi and Stoneleigh are deniers of peak oil?

Anonymous said...

Greyzone many posters are able to communicate across a sense of glee seeing the world burn, so that everyone will be reduced to their level and their delusional Marxist utopia can take root

Ante, Christ! said...

If you talk to a scientist, they'll say they think all of the above problems could be met head on and solved. And I agree with that assessment. But where I disagree is that we lack the political, social, and individual willpower to face reality and adapt to it.

People do not have any idea what we are talking about or what we face. How do you expect them to have the social or individual willpower to do anything to bring a change? A lot of peple are doing just fine in this economy. Until the majority are affected, political change will not happen.

rumor said...

Ante, Christ,

There is some merit in your message, though I need to tease it out.

Life is short my friends. Go take walk, go to the park, go play with your kids. Do what you can to be mentally prepared for what you may think will happen, but always remind yourself that you have no idea what will happen. You can only do so much. You can only say so much.

This isn't at odds with the advice many other people on this site have given, including Stoneleigh.

There are problems evident in your full reply, however. Your gem of advice is buried amongst bitter recriminations. You should be aware that you won't convince anyone of your wisdom if you belittle them. But it would also seem that your paternalistic and meanspirited approach reflects your nature. Your own post indicates that count yourself as a rare, "strong" individual ready to weather the slings and arrows of misfortune while those you see here are, in your view, ready to lie down in defeat at the those same travails. This is convenient thinking, but more likely self-serving narcissism rather than a measured reflection of the truth. I don't say this because I know you; obviously I only can work with what you've written. But the way you've chosen to express yourself suggests I'm more likely correct than incorrect. And as such, your advice carries very little credibility.

You're welcome to try expressing yourself again, however, with more compassion and less malice.

I'd also note - and this is important - that your reply quoted an earlier post that demanded data and analysis for your position, rather than mere assertion and rhetoric, and yet you replied with the same again. This, too, will fail to convince anyone. Modify your approach if you wish to succeed. If, on the other hand, you aren't interested in succeeding so much as ranting uselessly, I suggest you spare us.

Anonymous said...

rumor you are a disingenuous little turd. Nowhere did ante claim any of what you say. Then you criticize his comments without addressing any of his points. Do the world a favor and don't breed.

John Hemingway said...

@anon1:14,
Are you one of the "effete wussies";-)

Coy Ote said...

anon 12:41 and 12:43

OK. You heard (read) Greyzone's proper summary, so. What's your take? Contribute something!

Carole Fletcher said...

Anon 1:14:

I agree with what you say.

The apocalyptic vision is a part of our culture.

Toby Hemenway describes it precisely right here.

Ahimsa said...

A great piece by William Blum:

"Keeping Track of the Empire's Crimes"

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14650

el gallinazo said...

I agree that we should ignore the trolls. Either they will go away or they won't. If they don't, it's I&S's house, and it is they who should deal with it if it really diminishes the value of the comment section. I know Stoneleigh has a very slow fuse, so I don't expect much in this regard. She believes that if one in twenty is a sincere seeker of knowledge, then it's worth putting up with the others who really just wish to deep six the blog.

From now on, my only contact with trolls and trolling will be in the wahoo department.

Also, PM= precious metals

Anonymous said...

El G

Thanks for clearing that up. *smacking forehead* Duh.

Why all the trolls lately?

rumor said...

Stoneleigh has mentioned several times that in the past they tend to receive the greatest barrage of resentment and angry criticism at the height of bullish euphoria. She expected the same this summer and I suppose it's turning out true.

For the purposes of this site, I tend to discount anyone who isn't either (a) asking questions for their edification or (b) providing reasoned, fact-based analysis or criticism. By my own rules, I shouldn't have responded to Ante.

Ante, Christ! said...

What kind of data could validate my comments, rumor?

Some of us are not skilled psychoanalysts like yourself. Some of us might lack such convincing writing skills. Some of us maybe just like to speak our minds. If you want to take that as narcissistic, have at it. I am not here to impress others with my writing ability.

Ante, Christ! said...

Stoneleigh has mentioned several times that in the past they tend to receive the greatest barrage of resentment and angry criticism at the height of bullish euphoria. She expected the same this summer and I suppose it's turning out true.

This barrage has been happening since the spring.

Try again.

Ante, Christ! said...

For the purposes of this site, I tend to discount anyone who isn't either (a) asking questions for their edification or (b) providing reasoned, fact-based analysis or criticism. By my own rules, I shouldn't have responded to Ante.

This is quite an arrogant statement.

I expressed an opinion that does not require data points or scientific study. It is common sense.

Get over yourself.

Coy Ote said...

Friedmanism - the dissemination of dangerous positive illusions.

-- Dave Cohen

Temporary Recession or the End of Growth? -- by Richard Heinberg

http://www.energybulletin.net/node/49798

Anonymous said...

1:43 - Quasi-arrogance (really bravado and hubris) borne of insecurity and ignorance.

Anonymous said...

Ante Christ makes some good points. Try to back an animal into a corner. What will they do? Negativity and paranoia is like the deflationary spiral which is talked about here often. It is time to be nimble in thought. Not locked into your own prized viewpoint. That is very dangerous.

Greyzone said...

Hmmm... one anonymous troll says "Greyzone you are either illiterate or just plain stupid because you can never seem to quote people properly. When did anyone here claim Ilargi and Stoneleigh are deniers of peak oil?"

When not far above that we have the following question: "They did leave the tinfoil website the oil drum some time back. I am not sure if they are deniers of peak oil, but they certainly don't view that as the critical issue right now. That said, it is clear that peak oil doom and gloom still influences their thinking."

In other words, someone wondered if they are deniers of peak oil, expressing it as "I am not sure if they are deniers of peak oil..."

So to the anonymous illiterate troll who questioned me, there's your answer. You might try harder next time. You're clearly not earning your 30 pieces of silver yet.

Anonymous said...

Greyzone you are a disingenuous twat. You misrepresent and mischaracterize everything that disagrees with your poisoned world view. You are myopic and foolish. Please re-read everything. The person expressed some doubt (I.e. not one way or another). You on the other hand made a definite statement. Perhaps you should go back to kindergarten and learn to read.

Anonymous said...

After I published an article suggesting that Peak Oil may lead “merely” to widespread unemployment and hardship rather than collapse [Apocalypse, not, April 2006], hundreds wrote to tell me I was a naïve optimist and a cornucopian. A significant part of the Peak Oil community holds the rock-solid sentiment that the only future is one of chaos. While the end of the oil era possesses “death and taxes” certitude, plausible post-peak scenarios span a wide scope. So why is the most touted one the most extreme? Predictions of any stripe, a review will quickly show, are almost always wrong. The future rarely goes in the direction we expect. The certainty of coming doom held by so many made me wonder why we are drawn to societal collapse and our own extinction.

*************************

Sound familiar to you guys? 3,2,1... to the next attack.

Anonymous said...

doom

Steve Bracken said...

Just about every six months over the last 8 years, we have been told that Iran will have the capability of a nuke weapon within six months. Over and over and over.

These stories still appear in the papers and on the web, just about every six months.

I get the feeling that we will be saying the same thing about I&S in due time.

It will never get quite as bad as they say, and they will say that they predicted that too.

Anonymous said...

Apocalypse myths predate Jesus by centuries. Ancient Greece, Persia, and Egypt are their primary birthplaces for the West. In Greek mythology, Zeus destroyed the world several times via flood, fire, and war. In one typical example, Zeus, seeing that humanity had become corrupt, ended the world by flood, sparing only two people to found a new race. And there it is: the basic pattern of apocalypse that’s been followed ever since. Humanity becomes wicked and is destroyed except for an elect, who go on to birth a new world.

Anonymous said...

Steve Bracken there is sufficient ambiguity in both the positions and timelines of I&S's position that they can claim accuracy no matter the outcome. If things really don't go to hell in a hand basket they will simply tell people to continually keep looking and waiting for it.

Greyzone said...

"Greyzone you are a disingenuous twat. You misrepresent and mischaracterize everything that disagrees with your poisoned world view. You are myopic and foolish. Please re-read everything. The person expressed some doubt (I.e. not one way or another). You on the other hand made a definite statement. Perhaps you should go back to kindergarten and learn to read."

Haha! More name calling from the one who claims I have a poisoned world view. Calling me "stupid", "illiterate", a "twat", "myopic", "foolish", and now claiming I need to go back to kindergarten.

I can see why you're not doing stand up comedy in Vegas. You need a bit more polish, man.

Oh and to answer your pathetic response, I never claimed that anyone said I&S were peak oil deniers. I responded to clarify that they are not. It's pretty clear here who has literacy issues and it's not me.

Let's look again at what I actually said: "No, they did not leave TOD because they deny peak oil. In fact, I can guarantee you that Stoneleigh and Ilargi see peak oil as a problem."

It was a response to a statement made by an earlier poster, clarifying that I&S are not peak oil deniers. I never claimed that anyone even said they were. I instead addressed an ambiguous statement and added clarity.

Try again. :)

ogardener said...

Saturday, 25 July 2009
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Article

Weaseldog said...

Either the oil in the Earth is infinite and it's mass and volume exceeds the mass and volume of the universe, or it's finite.

If it's finite, then it is not infinite.

If it is not infinite, then the rate at which we suck it out of the ground must at some point peak.

For those that believe in abiotic oil, there is still the problem that it takes one million years to produce the quantity of oil we use in one year. So we still have the peak oil problem.

If you believe peak oil is a myth, then you must believe that the oil in the Earth is of infinite mass and volume or it comes from some extra-dimensional space where it has infinite mass and volume.

I have to wonder then, if the rational people believe that the oil in the Earth has infinite mass, then why hasn't the planet collapsed from the infinite gravity?

And how is that people who believe that the Earth has an infinite mass of oil, call those people who believe the mass is finite and measurable, conspiracy theory nutcases?

el gallinazo said...

Grisu,

I agree that PM and especially gold tend to hold their value against hard assets (or soft in the case of a good suit) over the decades and even centuries. If that be true, it would give one all the more impetus to buy sharply in a highly volatile market.

Weaseldog said...

"The track record of doomsday forecasts is poor - no one can really know the future."

Who knows if tomorrow, the Earth will continue to rotate?

Who knows what the value of PI will be tomorrow?

No one can predict these things with any certainty.

Anonymous said...

Weasel where has anyone here claimed or made an argument that the world has an infinite supply of oil? The only contention being made is that perhaps, just maybe, the world will not enter into an apocalypse as so many on here would want to happen. Perhaps, just maybe, there are actually solutions to the coming problem. Perhaps just maybe, there is time to do this. Pull you head out of your head out of the clouds, and actually listen to what people are saying, instead of just blindly attacking people.

Anonymous said...

doom

jal said...

I want to present a different take … I’m not in the MSM matrix n’or the doomer matrix.

What must be remembered, if one wants to do “planning”, is to try to look at all the accessible variables and try to make sense of them. Today, MSM and the pundits are admitting that we would not have seen a Xmas if the gov. had not saved the financial institutes. A lonely voice was I&S.
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Here is a long post.
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AUGUST 5, 2009 8:55 PM Gylangirl said …
I think that the PTB knew peak oil was coming to ruin their party and so they have been systematically gobbling up all the private and public wealth in preparation for it. Hence the blatant looting of the state treasury. They intend to remain Royalty even in a neo-feudal system that may replace capitalism.
I also think they are arranging an 'economic die off' to fall along class lines, both to make diminishing/costly energy last longer [only for themselves] and to convert energy losses back into slave labor.
Desperation of the masses is a necessary prerequisite for them to be able to stay on top in a collapsing civilization.

So the economic collapse is a PTB 'self-preservation' response to peak oil fore-knowledge.

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Interesting speculation … it appears that they lost control and as a result we had a financial meltdown.

I would assume that for their plan to succeed they would have considered that in order to continue to enjoy the wealth and living standards of today, which are based on complexity, they would not have wanted a culling of the herd that would result in their joining the masses in the soup line.
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SO MANY BLOGGERS ARE SAYING ,” Wall Street owns Barack Obama”.

How about reversing that statement. “Obama owns Wall Street.”

Because … He saved the finance industry. (It’s payback time)

Because … He is forcing them to save the Stock market, (do what has to be done and illegal activities are not being prosecuted)

Because … He controls all of the “black operators” and bankers can suddenly commit suicide

Because … He will get the economy re-started with some “job creation” and he will end of the recession with their cooperation.
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Ruben said...I think there is a pretty good chance all traders are doing little more than casting the chicken bones.
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Long term planning, (invoking/getting the gods on your side), is a long held tradition of all cultures.
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Ilargi said … I think Fannie and Freddie have been such a great vehicle for transferring losses to the public that Wall Street will be crying real tears at their graves.
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I think Fannie and Freddie have been such a great vehicle for transferring ASSETS to the public that THE CAPITALISTS will be crying real tears at their graves.
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Zero Hedge: "Most interesting is the correlation between Money Market totals and the listed stock value since the March lows: a $2.7 trillion move in equities was accompanied by a less than $400 billion reduction in Money Market accounts!
… Where, may we ask, did the balance of $2.3 trillion in purchasing power come from? Why the Federal Reserve of course, … Apparently these banks promptly went on a buying spree to raise the all important equity market, …”
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DUH!
ISN’T IT THE SAME WORRY THAT HAS BEEN EXPRESSED CONCERNING THE CHINESE MARKET?
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jal

Ilargi said...

Reposted from Bold anon, who is now Plain anon 2:44

The doomer Peak Oil scenario also replicates the final phase of the apocalypse story: that of rebirth after the collapse. Richard Heinberg, in a speech to the E. F. Schumacher society, said that after the peak, we will return to a more agrarian way of life, when “we actually regain much of what we have lost.” He and others envision a future with far fewer people, many of them living rurally and raising most of their own food using permaculture and bio-intensive gardening. Some argue that post-peak, only those with primitive skills such as tanning and flint-knapping will survive. Suburban drones will die. So after the collapse, we follow the myth’s final trajectory into the survival of an elect, and a rebirth in the Garden and simpler times.

Again, my point here is not that Peak Oil doomerism is wrong. The apocalypts may, for the first time in thousands of predictions, be right. We face enormous crises and we have the tools to end civilization. But remember, as you feel yourself drawn to the apocalyptic story, that it is the natural place to go in uncertain and dangerous times. We are culturally programmed to do it. Whether we are describing first-century Christians who were threatened with death for their beliefs, 14th-century weavers whose jobs were being automated and outsourced out of existence, or oil addicts about to tumble down Hubbert’s Curve, people who take the apocalyptic view often have good reason to believe they are in mortal danger. The source of the threat varies—an angry god, a brutal empire, a class struggle, or resource depletion—but the response has remained the same over the millennia. The path to “end of the world” thinking is well trod, most heavily so in times of oppression, uncertainty, and corruption. But perhaps some of us can recognize how familiar is this dark road, resist the natural urge to repeat the story once more, and remember that there are many routes into the future other than the one toward the lowest common denominator.

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Anonymous said...

I'm one of the libertarians who frequently clashes with the left-leaning clientele here. And therefore it is with great sadness that I feel compelled to rise to their defense. You may disagree with The Buzzard and Greyzone, but they are clearly highly intelligent, well-educated, and form their conclusions based on facts. While you may disagree with them and their conclusions, it is unseemly to insult them. As for me, I think that the issues raised by Stoneleigh and company are completely accurate in their described direction, although overstated in magnitude. But--we'll see. Why worry about what anyone else thinks?

Bigelow said...

The air in here reeks of trollish disruptive dissembling and psyop damn it! I'll "vacation" now. So long and good luck.

Billy Bob said...

Greyzone said...

Anon@12:28 - The sky fell last September. It fell hard enough to destroy trillions of dollars of retirements savings. It is in the process of destroying the entire state of California. Jackson County, Alabama is now financially a disaster zone. And even the Bush administration admits (via Paulson himself) that they feared rioting and the need to impose martial law. How close do you want to come, baby?

So what does the next crash look like, eh? What if they react too slowly and do have to impose martial law? What if they can't even control it and cities burn?

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The discussion of weaponry the other day really got me thinking that homeland security must be making plans to deal with this. Odds are most would never have the chance to use their cache of ammo, unless in remote areas. A few weeks of hunger and rioting would make most of the population welcome a cot in the dreaded FEMA camps. Anyone contemplating stockpiles should seriously consider how this possibility would alter their plans. We have a democracy most don't want anyway, so don't expect the masses choose "liberty" over starvation.

It is ironic that we will end up like the soviet society we gloated about defeating 20 years ago. Food stamps, public transit, no consumer toys. I don't expect the apocalypse, but I doubt it will be business as usual.

Anonymous said...

Billy Bob this is the type of peon thinking that I loathe from commenters here. End up like the Soviet society? Please, please get over yourself.

Weaseldog said...

"Weasel where has anyone here claimed or made an argument that the world has an infinite supply of oil?"

The theory behind Peak Oil is that the oil in the Earth is finite. So there will be a time when we reach maximum production, then oil production will decline.

If you don't believe in Peak Oil, then you believe that oil production will increase forever, because it never peaks...

This requires that you believe that the oil in the Earth is of infinite mass and volume.

I'm not sniping at you. You're welcome to believe that the oil in the Earth is of infinite mass and volume. So don't get the idea that I'm persecuting you for your beliefs.

I just don't believe what you believe, based on some simple scientific and mathematical principles.

Anonymous said...

Weasel I, and I am assuming others, don't dispute the limitations of the world's supply of oil. What we are mainly disputing is the almost mechanical adherence to the hope/theory that it will mean the end of the world. It is at once an inflexible world view, unhealthy and tinged with a bit of hate/envy.

Weaseldog said...

Trolling like this, sometimes reaches hysterical peaks before big political changes.

I wonder if Peak Trolling in this instance will occur in tandem with some dramatic changes in our nation's finances?

rumor said...

Heinberg's latest essay, linked above and again by me, it's breathtakingly robust in walking all the way from a discussions of the peak oil and it's relationship to the debt crisis that only recently emerged, through implications for future economic possibilities and avenues of energy generation, to political solutions and likely responses. I'm impressed.

This one is a keeper that I'll be spreading around to people I care about. While we may quibble about some of his points here and there, it's a remarkably well done overview, easy to read and comprehensive, yet necessarily avoiding dwelling too long on the quantitative data, which is referenced at the end.

Great, great essay.

Billy Bob said...

Anonymous said...

Billy Bob this is the type of peon thinking that I loathe from commenters here. End up like the Soviet society? Please, please get over yourself.

August 6, 2009 2:59 PM

I am a peon. So, what do you suggest then? How and what do I get over?

HappySurfer said...

Not being an expert - but a lot of the Anonymous posts seem to be cut and paste from prepared texts that they ? maybe have stored on computer. Troll behaviour - to post on many sites - then to have minor editing and then the follow up comments.

If one eyeballs seemingly de novo posts they are not as well constructed as the "cut and paste" type.

Anonymous said...

A song for today:

Who Wants to be a Millionaire - by ABC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB_jX4qdye4

Lyrics:

I've seen the future, I can't afford it,
Tell me the truth sir, someone just bought it,
Say mr. whispers! Here come the click of dice,
Roulette and blackjacks - gonna build us a paradise,
Larger than life and twice as ugly,
If we have to live there, you'll have to drug me,

Maybe these luxuries can only compensate
For all the cards you were dealt at the hands of fate

So tell me
Tell me! tell me! How to be a millionaire
Tell me! tell me! How to be a millionaire!
Millionaire! Billionaire! Trillionaire!

Hardly surprising if you might consider,
Loyalties go to the highest of bidders,
What's my opinion? I'd give you ten to one,
Give me a million, a franchise on fun,
But there are millions who often get nowhere,
And there's just one secret I think you should share

So tell me
Tell me! tell me! How to be a millionaire
Tell me! tell me! How to be a millionaire!
Millionaire! Billionaire! Trillionaire!

Weaseldog said...

"What we are mainly disputing is the almost mechanical adherence to the hope/theory that it will mean the end of the world. It is at once an inflexible world view, unhealthy and tinged with a bit of hate/envy."

The world will be fine.

You choose your words very poorly.

Your words make it clear that you believe in infinite oil, then you come back and tell me that what you wrote was all wrong, and that you meant something else.

How am I to know that what you write now is what you mean?

So ok, we've now established that you believe in Peak Oil, but you don't believe that (I'm guessing here), that our high energy civilization will not run down. Am I right?

This leads to two possibilities in your thinking, that make sense of this...
You believe that energy consumption will grow every year to infinity or...
Through increasing efficiency we will eventually create matter and energy from nothing at all?

Do I understand you?

el gallinazo said...

Bigelow

Your "vacation" fits right into their game plan. When I came to this island, I had a lot of trouble with the omnipresent roosters who would crow at any hour, their favorite being 3 am. I got used to it. I don't even hear them any more unless I am looking for a cheap dinner :-)

The vast majority are not seeking information. They just want to drown us out with their noise. Don't argue with them. Just go about your business here as usual and ignore the roosters. Just deal with the core group and honest newcomers. Hate to mix my meats, but they are spam.

Anonymous said...

Weasel please point out where exactly I said that I believed in infinite oil? Not some interpretation. Please, specifically where I said that explicitly.

el gallinazo said...

Weasel Dog

All cocker spaniels are brown
Rover is a cocker spaniel
Rover is black.

Good luck!! :-)

Bob (your uncle) said...

Peak Trolling - good one Weaseldog. I would also go with a "trolling bubble" which is one bubble I hope will soon pop....

Weaseldog said...

"Weasel please point out where exactly I said that I believed in infinite oil? Not some interpretation. Please, specifically where I said that explicitly."

You made a fallacious argument. I proved that it is wrong. You agreed with me. There is no need for me to prove that you explicitly stated a corollary to your argument.

Further, as you are anonymous, how am I to know which posts are yours? If I reference something written by anonymous, you can simply deny that you wrote it.

Someone here made an argument that Peak Oil is false. Meaning quite clearly that there will never be a year of maximum production, meaning the oil is infinite.

That is 100% crystal clear.

Then an anonymous person argued that oil is finite, demonstrating that they believe that Peak Oil is true.

How can I even know if these arguments apply to you, or if I'm being tag teamed for trolling fun?

Now if this has been just you, just one person making these arguments, and you can't see the contradiction in your arguments, then why should I trust your judgment at all? The contradictions are glaring and obvious.

Further, you use strawman arguments to come to false conclusions.

For instance you argue that many doomers have been wrong, so it's impossible that Peak Oil can be true.

Ignoring the crappy logic in that, I can make a similar false argument...

Many optimists were wrong about this nation's financial situation and about the timing of the recent peak in conventional oil production, proving that all optimistic projections are false.

Both arguments are unsound and illogical. The doomer version makes you feel good, so you believe in it and overlook the logical fallacies inherent in it.

I don't expect to convince you. You are arguing from an illogical ideology. Logic will sway you. I understand that.

The basic premises that I expect that you cannot process is that growth cannot go to infinity and the end of growth may well be occurring now.

I expect that I could get you to agree on all of the points in a logical argument, and you would still reject the conclusion. I've seen this happen so many times with so many people, that it does not surprise me anymore.

So, I'm satisfied that we have established that you do believe in Peak Oil, because you don't believe that oil is infinite. So we have established that you're a doomer.

Weaseldog said...

"Logic will sway you."

I intended to say, Logic will not sway you."

Anonymous said...

Weasel I repeat where was it said that the supply of oil was infinite. Please point to it or shut the f*ck up!

Weaseldog said...

"Weasel I repeat where was it said that the supply of oil was infinite. Please point to it or shut the f*ck up!"

Easy now, Peak Oil Doomer.

You believe oil is infinite or you don't. If you don't, you believe in Peak Oil so you're a doomer.

Baby Steps.

Sam Dug said...

Greyzone said-
"If you talk to a scientist, they'll say they think all of the above problems could be met head on and solved. And I agree with that assessment. But where I disagree is that we lack the political, social, and individual willpower to face reality and adapt to it."

This paragraph above explains things perfectly. The real scientists have known for decades that we are running out of fossil fuels, polluting our water supply, etc. There are ways to address these issues and begin alternatives. There are brilliant minds at work on how to best go about facing the crisis of resource depletion.

Unfortunately, the men and women who study such things and propose solutions are usually not inclined toward politics and nonsense.

The PTB and the corporations have managed to find individuals and institutions who will will gladly lie and deceive the public for a fee. This has drowned out the real science and we are left with nothing but spin from those who are seeking to profit (and caring not about the future).

Weaseldog said...

"This paragraph above explains things perfectly. The real scientists have known for decades that we are running out of fossil fuels, polluting our water supply, etc. There are ways to address these issues and begin alternatives. There are brilliant minds at work on how to best go about facing the crisis of resource depletion."

Not every problem has a solution. Some problems simply lend themselves to mitigation.

For instance, if the problem were posed as, 'How do I resurrect my brother who was killed in 1983', you'd probably agree that this can't be done. People just need to learn to live with events like these and move on.

And this present problems when cold hard facts meet unbridled optimism. Obama might well believe that he can fix the current financial crisis by borrowing and printing infinite quantities of money. It's likely that he's met people that have told him that this won't work, and explained why. But he persists.

Likewise, we have persistent view from technologists, that science can solve every problem. When science has actually been showing us that the problem as presented, can't be solved. We can't grow to infinity on a finite planet. Science cannot solve this problem. Science instead demonstrates in a myriad of ways the folly of chasing business as usual.

If there is a solution, it lies in redefining the problem, into one that we can solve. and that means abandoning business as usual, or the pursuit of infinite growth. And that is not our nature.

Armando Gascón said...

I liked the photo of the Mexican train. I would had liked it still more had it shown the bustle in Mexico DF Central Train Station, but in any case. You like songs, so this will warm your cockles. Here's a corrido in honour of Seven Leagues, a horse of Pancho Villa.

Siete Leguas el caballo
que Villa más estimaba.
¡ Cuando escuchaba los trenes!
¡Siete Leguas relinchaba, ay,yayay!
Siete Leguas, el caballo, que Villa más estimaba.

Twilight said...

I would just ignore all generic Anonymous posts - most are clearly just attempts to disrupt anyway. In fact I don't care what they think - I do not believe that we will much change the world, and I am primarily interested in understanding what is happening so that I can help myself and those around me, rather than being a burden. I feel no obligation to give idiots and intentional disruptors a fair hearing, and they get in my way when I'm trying to learn.is that you cannot ban them.

el gallinazo said...

For the over 55 crowd (who still can remember something/anything):

James Kunstler digs R. Crumb :-)

http://islandbreath.blogspot.com/2009
/08/kunstler-digs-crumb.html

Weaseldog

You are one smart cookie.

Sam Dug said...

Weaseldog @ 3:54

Yes,your post really nailed it, thank you ;)

ogardener said...

Blogger el gallinazo said...

Been a fan of R. Crumb for a long time. Who can forget the originator or Mr. Natural and so many other wonderful characters and the situations those characters often found themselves in. Peace Bro.

Coy Ote said...

El G - I'm well over 55 and just reviewed the series of prints you linked. I saw the last one on Kunstler's site earlier in the week when I read his rant (which I like) but was not aware of other prints.

I hope panel 17 comes to pass, even if it is long after I am gone.

Coy Ote said...

Weaseldog - "We can't grow to infinity on a finite planet. Science cannot solve this problem."

Amen brother canine! This is, as I have before repeated (though I am not the source) a PREDICAMENT, not a mere problem.

As a troubleshooter for 30 years I helped solve problems and I also suffered through predicaments. I know the difference first-hand.

VK said...

Weaseldog and Greyzone have had some awesome posts today.

Those who say doomers are wrong seem to be living on another planet? Gee whizz didn't you learn in school about the collapse of the Romans, Mayans, Aztecs, Myceneans, the rise and fall of the British, French, Spanish empires etc.

How about World Wars 1 and 2, the spanish flu, small pox, the bubonic plague wiping out 2/3rds of Europe's population.

Less well known would be the various collapses that have occurred in China, India, Japan etc.

Or how about you ask the 800 million people or so who went hungry today what it feels like? Or people from places where collapse has actually occurred recently - the Soviet Union, Argentina where the poverty rate soared from 15% to 52% almost overnight in 2001-2003, the collapse of Somalia, the genocides taking place in Darfur and Congo or the ethnic killings of Rwanda and Burundi which left 800,000 dead.

What about asking the relatives of the 250,000-300,000 people who died in the boxing day Tsunami? Or the Cyclones in Myanmar 2 years ago or what about the two million people who were displaced in Pakistan recently or the millions who had to flee Afghanistan and Iraq for their very lives following the wars.

The trolls have decided that they want to leave their lives in the hands of 300 men and women that they have never even met and whose sole purpose so far has been to give their money to the banks.

Thanks for subsidising Goldman Sachs, i'm sure they'll enjoy using your money in St Tropez during the summer, while you are broke and hungry for food.

VK said...

@ Stoneleigh

Credit Suisse reckons the market is at Euphoric levels :D

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/credit-suisse-market-now-euphoric-levels

The P/E Ratio for the S&P 500 is 144 as well. Last year it was 20 something.

VK said...

Reporter and Dr Doom economist having a conversation about the global economy, this was conducted at a swanky hotel with a few martinis and cushy sofas.

R: So what is your view on the global economy?

DD: Well I am in agreement with other financial folk that the worst is behind us now.

R: So the threat has passed?

DD: Well ofcourse not, why there's still falling earnings and trade imbalances, the banks still have all the bad debt on their books and commercial real estate is a ticking time bomb.

R: So then we still face problems ahead?

DD: Yes we do ofcourse but the danger has passed, I mean the Government has bailed out the financial system with all their trillions.

R: So what sort of recovery do you see?

DD: It's going to weak and anaemic, growing around 1.5-2% from here on in. Unemployment is going to stay high for some time but as we all well know it can never surpass 11%. That's the ceiling, look in the constitution, it's written there.

R: Do you see taxes being raised?

DD: Ofcourse they will be, how do you suppose the debt will be financed! But the entrepreneurial spirit is alive and well, the green shoots mantra pervading the economy will energize the masses. We have a long history of overcoming the odds, so regardless of how much debt, regulation, red tape and taxes we put on businesses, they will grow and prosper as they are programmed to strive for us.

R: So what happens if Governments can't raise enough money to finance the deficits?

DD: What! How dare you say such a thing, only an imbecilic mind would raise such a question. Western countries have a God given right to free lunches, we mould and shape the world, we don't have to follow such simple rules like living within our means. That's for the Chinese and Indians to do. The Saudis gladly sell us their oil for a glimpse of Oprah.

R: But then aren't the foundations of this recovery very shaky? That's an awful lot of assumptions to make!

DD: You idiot, have you got a degree from the Ivy League? Have you worked for 20 years in the IMF and World Bank. NO, you haven't. Rules are for poor countries, the OECD defies all rules, next year we are abandoning gravity as well.

R: Sorry for the objections your maginificence. What do you make of Goldman Sachs? Do you have any moral objection to their taking Government funds and then gambling with them?

DD: Why they are a vital component of global finance and are the sharpest players in the room along with Dimon's boys over at JPM. GS is the 5th arm of the Government along with PIMCO. They serve a vital national interest, even more so then the CIA. Next year I will be working for them, though public duty has a price of 5 million dollars per annum.

R: What do you make of the current stock market rally, overdone? Some simpletons mention that the P/E ratio is 144 while earnings have dropped 98% from their peak.

DD: Well yes, it seems headed for a slight correction. We see the market heading down to 9k for the year and then in the long term trading at 16,000 to 18,000 in two years time. We are now in a long term bull market as Abby Cohen mentioned today.

R: So why is it that you are called Doctor Doom?

DD: Why!? Because some fools think that unemployment will peak at 10%, while I maintain 11%. Some fools think that stocks are headed up to 30,000 without any pull back and they are even mentioning 10% growth in Canada. Those are the real fools, the only thing growing in Canada at 10% is the rate at which glaciers are melting.

R: Thank you for your time.

DD: Oh and to be certain the recession is ending in 3 months time. The Government Gold card saves us every time, and if it doesn't I know a few Martians with platinum Universal cards. Plus the minds of Americans are so easy to mould - Idol works wonders you know, for confidence and consumption.

Ante, Christ! said...

VK asks us all to recall the great collapses and gloomy episodes of human history as reason we should succumb to some weird level of despair about this collapse.

What about all of those hundreds of millions who actually survived all of those terrible times? Life went on. It will go on this time as well.

The so-called trolls, or those who are dissenting, have not indicated that they do not think we are in collapse. They have not indicated that they believe we have a rosy future to look forward to. These types of things are attributed to them, simply because they disagree with the overall, incessant, gloomy message.

This collapse may be the greatest thing to happen to us.

Revel in it. Enjoy it. These are exciting times. We can maybe have a hand at changing the way we, as a species lives from now on.

Coy Ote said...

Ante - "These are exciting times. We can maybe have a hand at changing the way we, as a species lives from now on."

Fair statement.

Most of us are trying to "have a hand" at coping positively with people and circumstances around us, in a realistic manner, not in denial of some really pertinent scientific facts that one must take into consideration if we are to succeed.

First step in problem solving - analyze all the inputs properly.

Max said...

"The Fed bought nearly half of LAST WEEK'S 7 year Treasury Issuance TODAY"
http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/1304-BLATANT-Monetization-Uncovered.html

VK said...

This collapse may be the greatest thing to happen to us.

Revel in it. Enjoy it. These are exciting times. We can maybe have a hand at changing the way we, as a species lives from now on.


Certainly I do revel, especially with a little whiskey in hand! :D

On the other hand, the big boys are certainly revelling in collapse, Chris Martenson has a great post up (via ZH) that the FED is monetizing debt indirectly, this money I assume then props up trading operations at the boys hangout.

http://www.chrismartenson.com/blog/fed-buys-last-weeks-treasury-auction/23880

Anonymous said...

he path to “end of the world” thinking is well trod, most heavily so in times of oppression, uncertainty, and corruption. But perhaps some of us can recognize how familiar is this dark road, resist the natural urge to repeat the story once more, and remember that there are many routes into the future other than the one toward the lowest common denominator.

Ilargi the optimist! Whoda thunk it?

Worthy of a main post or do Stoneligh's 40 points supersume your view of future events?

Inquiring minds want to know...

Anonymous said...

WKCR says...

The upper management of most Fortune 500 Corpses are currently selling their own company's stock and stock option into the Faux Gollum's Sack sucker rally at a 10 to 1 ratio.

Dumping your own company's stock on the legions of Greater Fools whistling 'Don't Worry Be Happy" is 'leading economic indicator' of just how little real confidence these Titans of Capital have in the current Economic Edifice and in their own company's.

Watch what they do, not what they spew.

They are so grateful for this Sucker Rally from Heaven manufactured by the MSM hookers and Vampire Squid.

It's very unusual for the index earnings to be tanking while the stock index prices go up. That shows in the nose bleed P/E ratio.

If you threw a giant piece of Swiss cheese over the map of the continental U.S., the holes will be where civil order is completely gone. The solid parts will be where it still is holding, and the parts where the hole isn't all the way through, but it's paper thin, will be the limbo areas.

The parts that hold and the parts that fail won't make any more sense than the distribution of holes in a random piece of Swiss cheese.

But since this unfolding meltdown is dynamic, the size of the holes will grow and contract over time. Some lawless areas will expand to join other lawless holes, the reverse pattern holding true for the solid areas with the limbo semi-hole areas acting as the battlegrounds.

The Pollyanna Trollop Trolls are a sign that even the ostriches with their heads in the sand are sensing danger in their underpowered avian processors.

~~Who Killed Cock Robin? ~~
.

gregfb said...

Ante, Christ

I believe the response most human beings have during any crisis and especially of the magnitude we are just beginning to face is fear. It's to be expected. Give people a break and stop judging them for the way they process. In many ways I believe that finding out that the world as we have known it is passing away is similar to being told that you have a terminal disease.
Take your positive attitude and be a blessing to others. Don't let yourself be drawn into attitudes of condemnation.

Ilargi said...

6:58
Those are not my words, as you will have noticed. As a matter of fact, I think they're nonsense.

Apocalyptic Myths have no more value than Myths of Things Forever Staying More Or Less The Same. They just sell better.

I just wanted to be polite and not outright delete an all-bold post (something I don't want here). However, as I now see the drivel posted here since, I think maybe it's time for Eraserhead.

VK said...

@ El G

http://evilspeculator.com/

Greyzone said...

BLATANT Monetization Uncovered

Denninger talking about a clear act of monetization by the Fed. It's small in the grand scheme of things but they are clearly starting to think in terms of printing at any cost. The question is, will they get away with it? I'm in the camp that doesn't think they can but it's pretty clear they've started.

jal said...

SOOOO! WHO IS THE BOSS?
DID THE GOV. MAKE THE BANKS BUY 7 year Treasury Issuance?

SO MANY BLOGGERS ARE SAYING ,” Wall Street owns Barack Obama”.

How about reversing that statement. “Obama owns Wall Street.”


"The Fed bought nearly half of LAST WEEK'S 7 year Treasury Issuance TODAY"
http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/1304-BLATANT-Monetization-Uncovered.html
----
JAL

Coy Ote said...

VK - Did you see the comment by "Angry Saver" after the C Martenson piece?

Another angle on the current monetization thing.

http://tinyurl.com/no6ojd

cursor down about half a page.

Coy Ote said...

From the C M post - "BTW, the Fed's purchases of GSE paper are very likely illegal. Per the Fed's CONgressional charter, the Fed is only allowed to purchase investments backed explicitly by the U.S. Gov't. GSE paper is issued with an explicit warning that it is NOT backed by the U.S. Gov't. "

Bryan McNett said...

Ilargi, quoting anon:

>The doomer Peak Oil scenario also
>replicates the final phase of the
>apocalypse story: that of rebirth
>after the collapse.

This describes a minority view - oilmen like Matthew Simmons have no "rebirth" myth.

Climate change and peak oil are, simply, permanent hard limits to growth in decades to come.

Finance is a high-frequency wave that modulates the low-frequency wave of peak everything.

The further into the future we look, the more that limits will dominate the shape of society.

In the short term, it's just too low-frequency of a signal to be important.

None of this has anything to do with hippy fantasies of new age organic farms - except maybe that there is a minority of people who believe both things.

Anonymous said...

Funny stuff from VK.

I often wonder if some of the most prominent economic voices have been approached in say, a fancy NY or D.C. nightclub, handed an envelope with a request to tone it down upon acceptance. Sounds plausible to me, perhaps even probable, especially considering the massive amounts of money floating around those two very incestuous and close-knit towns.

If we ever hear the mollified voices of Ilargi and Stoneleigh, they’ll be waving bye to their readers from the back end of a yacht.

Aesthete

Coy Ote said...

Bryan M - "Finance is a high-frequency wave that modulates the low-frequency wave of peak everything."

Thinking in terms of amplitude modulation (as opposed to FM) I would say we are evenly oscillating financially (temporarily) on the downward swing of a long term wave of energy depletion and climate change. But it seems the financial waveform will soon go into a downward spiral of it's own.

Maybe we could build an amplifier and a tank circuit (60 hz) and tie all this into the grid!

Anonymous said...

Ok, never invested in three month treasuries before but willing to try it.
If I put $1,000 into a 13 week T-bill, what should I expect when it matures? And what to do with it when it matures?

Thanks!

gylangirl

VK said...

@ Coy Ote

Speaking of likely angry savers and GSE's.

WASHINGTON — Fannie Mae plans to tap $11 billion in new government aid after posting another massive quarterly loss as the taxpayer bill from the housing market bust keeps growing.

Fannie Mae's new request for $10.7 billion from the Treasury Department will bring the total for Fannie and Freddie to nearly $96 billion. Freddie is expected to report its quarterly results on Friday.


The looting continues.

On a lighter note, due to the dismemberment of what was once known as the Harvard Endowment fund. Harvard has launched a clothing line to ruin fashion as well.

http://perezhilton.com/2009-08-06-harvard-university-launches-fashion-line-confuses-everyone

Now this is a first. Harvard (yes, that Harvard) is launching a contemporary menswear line called Harvard Yard.

The university just signed a ten-year licensing deal with Wearwolf Group, a major clothing manufacturer.


Will the designer be Larry Summers? I see Brooksley Born's new career in critiquing these range of products for their under the top risk and zest.

Coy Ote said...

"Now this is a first. Harvard (yes, that Harvard) is launching a contemporary menswear line called Harvard Yard."

Guffaw! Only in the United Corporation of Amerika.

Yep. Larry will do the "Summer" wear. Polyester suits with hidden pockets!

Anonymous said...

“The Chinese are defending the gold price, if truth be told. They have resources, in the form of over $2000 billion in savings (a war chest). They have motive, in the form of wanting to install the Yuan as a global reserve currency. And they are very angry, in particular at bank bond fraud, but also at debt monetization. They abhor a widely understood USGovt policy of trying to inflate the debts away at foreign creditor expense. This is seen as betrayal. Decisions among creditors have been made, and a path has begun to deal with the problem.”
U.S. Dollar Stage #1 Breakdown

Fuser said...

gylangirl

That's paying .17% annualized, so you'd get $4.35.

I don't think you can buy individual T-Bills. You could get into a short term treasury fund though.

bluebird said...

Go to TreasuryDirect.gov

You can buy 4-week Treasury Bills, 13 week Treasury Bills, etc.

First you link up your T-Bill account with a bank or credit union. The money from the bank is used to buy a T-Bill electronically.

After that, you can set it up such that a T-Bill can be automatically bought and redeemed to 'C of I', a placeholder, for several months at a time.

getyourselfconnected said...

Ilargi,
looking forward to the next post. Wnated to check in.

Anonymous said...

Thanks fuser and bluebird

It is my understanding that putting cash away like this is better than under the mattress. That is if I expect FDIC to be overwhelmed at some point by a big bank loss, especially if chronologically my bank were to be last in line at the FDIC window.

gylangirl

Fuser said...

Myself,

I think you're mistaken.

1,000 X .0017 = 1.70 / 4 = 42.5 cents interest.

Anonymous said...

fuser,

lol.... so you recommend under the mattress?
;^)

gylangirl

getyourselfconnected said...

That train picture got me thinking about the past:
I used to lay rails for the railroad with my dad. We once had a competition, how many rails can you spike down before quitting?

I did 4 rails in 15 minutes (90 spikes) and my dad did 7 rails in 20 minutes. I was 13, he was 43. I thought he was as strong as the hulk, or superman.

He has been gone going on 13 years now (too much hard work, too much hard drink) but I remember that day just by seeing the train picture caption.

Fuser said...

gylangirl

It's all about removing debt and money preservation in a deflationary environment.

I recommend taking care of any debt that you may have and invest in preps for the imminent meltdown.

rapier said...

Americans should be profoundly thankful that for the most part of our 233 years a higher percentage of us than any people in modern history have been able to live their entire lives without having that life profoundly effected by violence and privation. At least those things as caused by what I will call 'being caught up in sweeping historic events'. Particularly war on our soil and revolution.

To say the least the record is hardly unblemished. The civil war, slavery, the defacto genocide of Native Americans. Still, we have had it pretty good. Especially compared to Europe and Russia over the past century where perhaps 70 million have been murdered, not counting soldiers.

Let me presume something. Ilargi comes out of that European experience and it effects everything he thinks. That doesn't make it right or wrong. It is just different. Which is all neither here nor there or relevant to the topic at hand. Just saying.

Anonymous said...

i am getting confused by trolls who start by arguing with peak oil then deny that they are doing so.

there are three basic types of peak oil
believers:

1. the uberdoomers, predicting it will end in apocolyptic visions, including thermo nuclear war and worse [in their opinion] urban zombies roaming the countryside to be fended off by well-armed lone homesteaders who against all these odds nevertheless survive to start over the human race without any pesky liberals, feminists, or illegal aliens this time. Tend to be sexist racist republican in political leanings.

2. the peakniks, predicting a return to horticultural eden like castro's cuba [?!] where everyone cooperates in order to survive the end of the cheap oil capitalist fiesta - which was totally wasteful and destructive of earth species anyway so bring it on and pass the hemp rope! tend to be euro-socialists in political leanings.

3. the technofixers, predicting that if everyone would just write to the president about wind/solar/tidal/hydrogen/fillinthe blank then He will see the light! save us! and we will escape the unthinkable [ie no cars or lightbulbs]. tend to be nerdy pollyanish scientific types aligned with the democrats in political leanings.

are there any other types?

Taizui said...

ETF gurus:

What do you make of the recent ETF warnings, including Ilargi's post today "Fidelity the Latest to Caution on ETFs?"

Should we not assume that GS will "short the universe" just like ElG plans to do? Are TPTB trying to limit little guys' ability to play that game in order to preserve more short-selling profit potential for the big guys?

Anonymous said...

oops
anon 1016 was me
gylangirl

Stoneleigh said...

Anon @1:48,

Ilargi has stated before that he does not agree with Prechter.

Why does Stoneliegh have his book recommended?


Ilargi and I don't have to agree on everything ;)

I find Mr Prechter has some very useful things to say, although I certainly don't agree with him on everything. I originally focused on finance after reading The Great Reckoning by James Dale Davidson and William Rees-Mogg, The Great Wave by David Hackett Fischer and At the Crest of the Tidal Wave by Bob Prechter. Prechter's work on socionomics is brilliant IMO.

To most finance writers, finance is all there is. Mr Prechter at least extends that to the psychology of finance. However, I choose to look at a bigger picture than that. My reality includes peak oil, climate change, population overshoot, ecological carrying capacity, environmental degradation and many other factors (reflecting the fact that I was once a biologist and then an energy specialist).

To my knowledge there are no finance types who cast their intellectual net that wide, and few science or energy types who understand finance. Our goal here is to present the big picture in all its complexity, and to make that complexity comprehensible to people with no background in any of these subjects. In short, we are trying to save ordinary people from losing everything they have worked so hard for to the largest financial crisis in history, which is itself but one facet of a multifaceted crisis we are collectively facing. It just happens to be the element with the shortest timeframe, which is why we focus on finance here. You need to survive the short term in order to have a long term to worry about.

Anonymous said...

@ fuser

"It's all about removing debt and money preservation in a deflationary environment. I recommend taking care of any debt that you may have and invest in preps for the imminent meltdown."

thank-you fuser. yes i'm working on all of that: cards all paid off now, mortgaged house finally on the market [altho may be too late to sell], hoarded my camping gear, continually learning food growth and storage skills etc.

the money preservation was the part i am now experimenting with.

gylangirl

Stoneleigh said...

Anon @3:27,

The funny thing about this peak oil, doomer discussion is that it exposes just how heavily the thinking of ilargi and stoneleigh is by the fatalism of peak oil. They have disregarded peak oil as a future problem, but have instead focused on something else as the harbinger of destruction.

Peak oil is realistic, not fatalistic. Fossil fuels are finite, and discovery peak decades ago. Just because we would like our once-in-a-planet's-lifetime energy subsidy to be infinite doesn't make it so. The evidence I have see, much of which came from The Oil Drum, is incontrovertible IMO. Check out Stuart Staniford's work on modeling Ghawar (the world's largest oilfield) for instance. It is incredibly impressive.

We do not disregard peak oil as a future problem. In fact, it is probably the major future problem. What we point out here though, is that financial crisis has a shorter time horizon, so that it is necessary to focus on finance first in order to retain sufficient resources to be able to make adaptations to peak oil.

Energy will place a hard lid on any attempts at recovery, making a return to 2007 prosperity effectively impossible. That is not to say there will never be a recovery, but that such a recovery will depend on energy supply as much as on deleveraging to the point where the the remaining credit is acceptably collateralized to the remaining creditors. Energy supply is due to take a huge hit, as we have explained in our energy primer (Energy, Finance and Hegemonic Power), and this will limit our future freedom of action enormously.

getyourselfconnected said...

Try to remember when the internet was going to make so much money ( it has made little) everyone got on board. When oil is really on the decline, most will be late to that party, as they were late to the:
housing bubble
tech bubble
cabbage patch kid bubble
beanie babie bubble
new stock bubble
China RE and stock bubble

Stoneleigh said...

Anon @12:44,

Is that why TAE was formed?

Because Stoneleigh and Ilargi became deniers of peak oil?


LOL! We have no issue with peak oil, but our message has been that financial crisis is a higher priority in the short term. If you retain purchasing power by preserving capital now, then you will be able to prepare for a lower energy lifestyle in more pleasant ways than through deprivation. If you lose your purchasing power now, through holding debt and lacking liquidity, then deprivation will be the only way you have to adapt. You will have no freedom of action at a time when it matters more than ever.

Anonymous said...

Stoneleigh if you re-read my post you will see that this is exactly what was said. Namely, that peak oil is being disregarded as a problem for the future and the credit crisis is the problem of the now. I am the author and it was poorly worded, but that is what I meant.

Stoneleigh said...

VK,

The P/E Ratio for the S&P 500 is 144 as well. Last year it was 20 something.

It will be interesting to watch P/E ratios as the decline sets in. As fast as prices fall, earnings can fall even faster, so that P/E ratios can get even worse in the teeth of a crash. This is exactly what happened to the NASDAQ during the tech wreck.

Anonymous said...

Also, I would add that reading some of the peak oil doomer thoughts on TOD and others, it is clear that the conventional view here, though obviously different in substance, is the same in form as the rest of the other peak oil doomer believers. Namely put your head between your knees and kiss your ass goodbye. CHS has written some good work on the groups involved in a crisis:

a) The complacents
b) The fatalists
c) The remainder

Guess what? You and Ilargi and most here are, IMO, the fatalists. As CHS correctly notes, complaceny and fatalism are both dangerous and counter-productive because they miss the opportunity for needed change. Things can be done, for example trying to get mainstream politicians, people in your community and others to accept the reality of the situation and to act accordingly so as to create a sustainable reality. Posting anonymously with the worry-wort mentality while doing nothing in the real world excludes you guys from being a part of the remainder. Remember you only need 20% to effect real change and 1/2 of that 20% to do the heavy lifting. Are we facing a drastic change in the world. Yes, I certainly believe that and the corrupt system will come down one way or another. Do I believe that there is nothing we can do? Nope. At least with guys like K. Denninger he actually puts his money where his mouth is and is actually out there doing something. Here all I see is belly-aching and moaning, with very little involvement and little to no action.

Before I am accused of being a hypocrite, I might add that I have faxed, met with and called frequently my elected representative. I have called informal building meetings to help people to plan their finances in these difficult times, where these people really don't understand how finance works at all. I have been a part of and a planner of the tea parties in my area. So please spare me to attacks.

Finally, I would add Stoneleigh that you are looking at so many variables that it would almost be impossible for your to be precisely correct in all or even the vast majority of your predictions. It is not possible, there are too many unknowns, too many wildcards. Thus, this stoic adherence to an inflexible dogma seems curious to me.

Bryan McNett said...

>1. uberdoomers
>2. peakniks
>3. technofixers

4. reasonable folks who understand peak oil, and can't predict exactly what will happen

Anonymous said...

Bryan I don't see any of that around here. Everyone is an expert here and is 100% certain of the outcome of all of this

Anonymous said...

"I have been a part of and a planner of the tea parties in my area."

LOL! All these are astroturf for the GOP machine to keep the top .o5% concentrating wealth in hands of the few.

You are not hypocrite you are naif. A category number three technofixer, but on the republican side.

Anonymous said...

I knew there would be some kind of knee jerk reaction from the juvenile penny section. Please allow the grown-ups to discuss this. I have voted for a Democrat every time since reaching the age of majority and up until I became aware that something was wrong. That is I sat out this last election. It is pathetic that people allow their partisan blinders from getting together with others to demonstrate our unhappiness with the status quo. At least, that is why I was there.

Stoneleigh said...

Anon @11:27,

Things can be done, for example trying to get mainstream politicians, people in your community and others to accept the reality of the situation and to act accordingly so as to create a sustainable reality.

I would focus on community leaders, not higher level politicians. Government is hostage to vested interests.

Posting anonymously with the worry-wort mentality while doing nothing in the real world excludes you guys from being a part of the remainder.

What makes you think I do nothing in the real world? As it happens, my day job involves doing my best to facilitate renewable generation. I am currently fighting a series of regulatory obstacles which are preventing renewable power from achieving access to the grid.

Are we facing a drastic change in the world. Yes, I certainly believe that and the corrupt system will come down one way or another. Do I believe that there is nothing we can do?

We take actions here every single day. Although there is nothing we can do to forestall a Greater Depression, we certainly can do a lot to help friends, family and community (including the broader internet community).

Before I am accused of being a hypocrite, I might add that I have faxed, met with and called frequently my elected representative.

Unfortunately, politics is mostly prole-feed or info-tainment these days. Elected representatives owe their allegiance to the party machine, and the party will not vote against its own interests. The only actions that have a chance are those orchestrated from the grassroots by real people. That means there will be huge variations by locality. Where there are people who will organize things like barter markets and local currencies, life will be very much better than in areas where social atomization remains the rule.

Anonymous said...

"Remember you only need 20% to effect real change and 1/2 of that 20% to do the heavy lifting."

That will be the destitute, homeless, hungry, emancipated, and impoverished they'll drag everyone else down with them, over 10% of the population is already on food stamps when the funds for that are no longer there they will be the ones doing the heavy lifting just like you said.

Anonymous said...

That will be the destitute, homeless, hungry, emancipated, and impoverished they'll drag everyone else down with them, over 10% of the population is already on food stamps when the funds for that are no longer there they will be the ones doing the heavy lifting just like you said.

This is very funny to say the least. However, if we keep idling then this is going to be our fate.

Anonymous said...

"to demonstrate our unhappiness with the status quo. At least, that is why I was there."

Ok. But the GOP people organizing the tax protest were really using your demonstrated unhappiness to support their agenda of no new taxes for the rich.

Bothe parties do it. It's the same thing with the Democrats and their health care "reform". They say the system needs reform, everyone agrees with that, but then they bait and switch you into a non-reform reform written by the insurance company lobbyists instead of 'single payer' whic go no hearing. Your healthcare outrage has just been usurped by the very ones screwing you and you cheer the healthcare 'victory' but later you'll want more reform because it [surprise!] wasn't enough to really help the little people.

Just like the little GOPers want their tax cuts so they rah rah their team too but mysteriously they never seem to get a fair tax cut, only the rich get tax cuts. So the little GOPers will still be tax-weary enough go along with the rich taxcut bait and switch scheme again next time. Cheers and applause. Endless cycle.

They get you by repeating back to you what you say the problem is, then not putting your solution into the legislation which is instead written by their kabuki puppeteer. In the audience you cheer your preferred GOP puppet or your Dem puppet; and you see a good fight/show emcee'd by the mass media who are telling you the play by play, but the audience doesn't GET IT that both puppets are controlled by the one puppeteer. Writing your representative is like calling out 'Look out behind you mister! to the puppet. Whew, thank goodness he heard ya' in time.

Anonymous said...

12:10 - I agree and that is why I noted that the system is corrupted. However, please don't prejudge me and claim to know what my agenda is. I love my country, my community and my family and I want to see good decisions made at the micro and macro level so that people don't suffer and/or die.

Thanks

Anonymous said...

@ anon
"1. the uberdoomers, predicting it will end in apocolyptic visions, including thermo nuclear war and worse [in their opinion] urban zombies roaming the countryside to be fended off by well-armed lone homesteaders who against all these odds nevertheless survive to start over the human race without any pesky liberals, feminists, or illegal aliens this time. Tend to be sexist racist republican in political leanings."

-- Stereotypes are fun, and quite natural, but I know a few gay socialists who fit most of the above ;)

Anonymous said...

12:13 - Amen. The Republicans don't have a monopoly on hate and envy. Just read some of the posts here to find that out.

Anonymous said...

" I love my country, my community and my family and I want to see good decisions made at the micro and macro level so that people don't suffer and/or die."

I want that too, but unfortunately our politicians DON'T CARE about the country, us or our families.

I agree with Stoneleigh that the micro level is where your efforts can pay off. Start a local barter board, a community food garden, teach your girlscouts and boyscouts how to make and use a sun oven, organize a camping weekend. Don't ask the politicians to lead, they aren't going to do it.

But if you build it, they will come. [And take the credit.]

-gylangirl

thethirdcoast said...

I really love the continual parade of Anonymi calling I & S out for posting "anonymously"...clearly irony is alive and well in Usacoland!

For those still naive enough to believe in the system I can only say, "If voting changed anything, it would be illegal."

As Orlov has repeatedly stated, our best bet going forward is to ignore the fools inside the Beltway that claim leadership of this Usacoland.

Jim Jones said...


What makes you think I do nothing in the real world? As it happens, my day job involves doing my best to facilitate renewable generation. I am currently fighting a series of regulatory obstacles which are preventing renewable power from achieving access to the grid.


More disconnect from our beloved Stoneleigh?

So, your day job involves facilitating renewable power generation.

But your night job has you writing intros entitled Renewable power? Not in your lifetime

How can you have it both ways? Seems to me that trying to facilitate something that you claim cannot work is nothing but a big waste of time.

But I am sure you will now explain to me why I am wrong, and your flock will buy into it, hook, line, and sinker.

More Kool-Aid anyone?

Anonymous said...

Jim I was going to let it slide because almost on cue someone will come along to try and decapitate you.

Anonymous said...

LOL! 'Koolaid' envy!

-gylangirl

Anonymous said...

US deficit climbs to 1.3 trillion dollars
http://tinyurl.com/lhqfbj

Money and credit ain't the same thing.

Anonymous said...

Stoneleigh might reply "Jim, I'm an engineer, not a miracle worker"

Anonymous said...

National debt is even more than that, right?

Anonymous said...

Beam us up, Stoneleigh!

-gylangirl

Anonymous said...

It might be time for the hosts to consider getting rid of the Anon posting.

There seems to be a couple of posters--appropriately enough, one of them used to sign his name starting with an A-- who are not interested in honest discourse.

I smell a dishonorable agenda.

Aesthete

Anonymous said...

Jim Jones:

If you disagree with Stoneleigh, why do you come here so often?

Jim Jones said...

Aesthete:

How is it dishonorable to point out the disconnect between Stoneleigh's day job and night job?

You can't claim that you are 'doing something' by facilitating renewable generation and then turn around and write an essay entitled "Renewable power? Not in your lifetime".

That would be disingenuous.

God forbid we hold the hosts to a high standard.

Jim Jones said...

Aesthete:

How is it dishonorable to point out the disconnect between Stoneleigh's day job and night job?

You can't claim that you are 'doing something' by facilitating renewable generation and then turn around and write an essay entitled "Renewable power? Not in your lifetime".

That would be disingenuous.

God forbid we hold the hosts to a high standard.

Anonymous said...

It might be time for the hosts to consider getting rid of the Anon posting.

Says the guy posting as an anon.

Jim Jones said...

If you disagree with Stoneleigh, why do you come here so often?

For the same reason that you stare at a bad car wreck when you drive by it.

Anonymous said...

Jim Jones please, please post here more often. This place is badly in need of some balance.

Anonymous said...

I don't think he is here to disagree as much as he is here to insult with petty trivial snipes. Really bad form. Not getting any traction: so he pleads koolaid.

Boring.

-gylangirl

Anonymous said...

Jim,

As far as I am concerned you're asking some very tough questions, although I have to wonder what you would say about the oncologist who asserts that there will never be a cure for cancer.

It's the knat and miller-moth posters that the real annoyance.

Aesthete

Anonymous said...

You mean 'gnat'.

Anonymous said...

Wow, Jim Jones, you really got Stoneleigh! How insightful and interesting! You should start your own blog of such colorful commentary. I could read such drivel all day long...really!

Bryan McNett said...

>Bothe parties do it. It's the same
>thing with the Democrats and their
>health care "reform".

tell me about it, both parties are an enormous distraction. two people in my family are dem and gop. one's a birther, and the other ridicules birthers online.

neither wants to talk policy. it's all obama this and obama that. the dem tells me that we should never criticize, because at least obama isn't gop. whatevs!

Anonymous said...

Good post Anon 11:27.

Anonymous said...

Well it seems that the hubris from the Zerohedge story has worn out and it turns out that the 7 year bond purchases were apart of the Fed's initial program to purchase T's. This guys is a good example of hubris leading to egg on one's face.

Anonymous said...

Well it seems that the hubris from the Zerohedge story has worn out and it turns out that the 7 year bond purchases were apart of the Fed's initial program to purchase T's. This guys is a good example of hubris leading to egg on one's face.

Please explain.

thethirdcoast said...

The recent flood from the self-appointed Greek chorus reeks of an organized disinfo op.

I wonder who they work for?

The CIA?

Israel?

Stormfront?

The RNC?

All appendages of the same organization really.

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